African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
11-24-2008 | 10:41 AM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
Wow, you walkd hundreds of thousands of acres, looking for "the fence" ?
Dont take that the wrong way..All I'm saying is that a family that RUNS an outfitter/guide service in S. Africa, said that all S. African game land is fenced...
I've never been, you have.....That says alot..I agree.
However, based on the SOURCE of my information- I'm gonna put my money on their information.
ORIGINAL: DropTine249
[blockquote]quote:
"Everything is high fence in Africa."
Hahahahahahaa!!!
No, it's not. Have you even looked at a map of Africa??
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Have you been to Africa ?
K, didnt think so.
I have, and no it is not...
[blockquote]quote:
"Everything is high fence in Africa."
Hahahahahahaa!!!
No, it's not. Have you even looked at a map of Africa??
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Have you been to Africa ?
K, didnt think so.
I have, and no it is not...
Dont take that the wrong way..All I'm saying is that a family that RUNS an outfitter/guide service in S. Africa, said that all S. African game land is fenced...
I've never been, you have.....That says alot..I agree.
However, based on the SOURCE of my information- I'm gonna put my money on their information.
11-24-2008 | 10:53 AM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
I'd go after completing my North American Slam. Until then there is too much beauty and diversity right here in America that I want to experience first.
11-24-2008 | 11:28 AM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Jeff I may be headed to CO to elk huntin 2009. On public land, I am doing the scounting. If I come across a waterhole I will hunt it. Being driven out and placed in a blind on man made or natural water hole is different IMO. I did not scout it, I did not find it. I paid to hunt it. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not for me.
It's more about the hunt, then the kill to me. In my eyes Africa is more about the kill than the hunt.
I am learning the above, the hardway
Jeff I may be headed to CO to elk huntin 2009. On public land, I am doing the scounting. If I come across a waterhole I will hunt it. Being driven out and placed in a blind on man made or natural water hole is different IMO. I did not scout it, I did not find it. I paid to hunt it. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not for me.
It's more about the hunt, then the kill to me. In my eyes Africa is more about the kill than the hunt.
Mr. Dave Samuel
"The key to trophy hunting is not the science and it is not in killing trophies. It is the philosophy, the value to each trophy hunter, and the way it was done. The key to trophy hunting isn't in the killing, it is in the hunting and the hunting is the philosophy."
"The key to trophy hunting is not the science and it is not in killing trophies. It is the philosophy, the value to each trophy hunter, and the way it was done. The key to trophy hunting isn't in the killing, it is in the hunting and the hunting is the philosophy."
I'm intrigued now.. since I have always hunted with a philosophical approach to taking whitetail.
Who is he?
11-24-2008 | 11:46 AM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels
I don't know who Dave Samuel is Germ.. but I couldn't agree more with his quote.
I'm intrigued now.. since I have always hunted with a philosophical approach to taking whitetail.
Who is he?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Jeff I may be headed to CO to elk huntin 2009. On public land, I am doing the scounting. If I come across a waterhole I will hunt it. Being driven out and placed in a blind on man made or natural water hole is different IMO. I did not scout it, I did not find it. I paid to hunt it. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not for me.
It's more about the hunt, then the kill to me. In my eyes Africa is more about the kill than the hunt.
I am learning the above, the hardway
Jeff I may be headed to CO to elk huntin 2009. On public land, I am doing the scounting. If I come across a waterhole I will hunt it. Being driven out and placed in a blind on man made or natural water hole is different IMO. I did not scout it, I did not find it. I paid to hunt it. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not for me.
It's more about the hunt, then the kill to me. In my eyes Africa is more about the kill than the hunt.
Mr. Dave Samuel
"The key to trophy hunting is not the science and it is not in killing trophies. It is the philosophy, the value to each trophy hunter, and the way it was done. The key to trophy hunting isn't in the killing, it is in the hunting and the hunting is the philosophy."
"The key to trophy hunting is not the science and it is not in killing trophies. It is the philosophy, the value to each trophy hunter, and the way it was done. The key to trophy hunting isn't in the killing, it is in the hunting and the hunting is the philosophy."
I'm intrigued now.. since I have always hunted with a philosophical approach to taking whitetail.
Who is he?
11-24-2008 | 11:48 AM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker
Dr. David Samuel, Conservation Editor for Bowhunter magazine and Professor at U of WV, or use to be I belive Duke.
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels
I don't know who Dave Samuel is Germ.. but I couldn't agree more with his quote.
I'm intrigued now.. since I have always hunted with a philosophical approach to taking whitetail.
Who is he?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Jeff I may be headed to CO to elk huntin 2009. On public land, I am doing the scounting. If I come across a waterhole I will hunt it. Being driven out and placed in a blind on man made or natural water hole is different IMO. I did not scout it, I did not find it. I paid to hunt it. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not for me.
It's more about the hunt, then the kill to me. In my eyes Africa is more about the kill than the hunt.
I am learning the above, the hardway
Jeff I may be headed to CO to elk huntin 2009. On public land, I am doing the scounting. If I come across a waterhole I will hunt it. Being driven out and placed in a blind on man made or natural water hole is different IMO. I did not scout it, I did not find it. I paid to hunt it. There is nothing wrong with it, it's just not for me.
It's more about the hunt, then the kill to me. In my eyes Africa is more about the kill than the hunt.
Mr. Dave Samuel
"The key to trophy hunting is not the science and it is not in killing trophies. It is the philosophy, the value to each trophy hunter, and the way it was done. The key to trophy hunting isn't in the killing, it is in the hunting and the hunting is the philosophy."
"The key to trophy hunting is not the science and it is not in killing trophies. It is the philosophy, the value to each trophy hunter, and the way it was done. The key to trophy hunting isn't in the killing, it is in the hunting and the hunting is the philosophy."
I'm intrigued now.. since I have always hunted with a philosophical approach to taking whitetail.
Who is he?
11-24-2008 | 12:11 PM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
This is true In bed by 9:00, a nap after the morning hunt, Eat, another nap, hunt, and be in by 9:00 again But in all seriousness You were in the zone and focused 
I let the boys talk me into to much sauce, felt like crap the next day, therefore leading you to beating me in the shoot off at camp [8D]if i was in the zone, you would have been pounding sand pilgram
In bed by 9:00, a nap after the morning hunt, Eat, another nap, hunt, and be in by 9:00 again But in all seriousness You were in the zone and focused I let the boys talk me into to much sauce, felt like crap the next day, therefore leading you to beating me in the shoot off at camp [8D]if i was in the zone, you would have been pounding sand pilgram
ORIGINAL: Germ
Not wild venison
Jeff some people are just happy being who they are. Africa is not for everyone, I like being a DIY hunter. When I go to hunt other states I go to "Hunt". Ask the KY crew who was in bed before 9:00 PM every night. We all hunt differnet locations and places for differnet reasons.
My good friend shot a Giraffe(SP?), he has the hide it's pretty cool, but I just want to give a Giraffe a carrot when I see one
The Kudo is animal that intrest me, Matt(by buddy) has a terrfic mount of one he shot. Maybe Will can shed some light on this, but the only way I have seen them bowhunted is next to a water hole. Do they stalk these beast?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Couldn't you just buy venison, Jim?
Couldn't you just buy venison, Jim?
Jeff some people are just happy being who they are. Africa is not for everyone, I like being a DIY hunter. When I go to hunt other states I go to "Hunt". Ask the KY crew who was in bed before 9:00 PM every night. We all hunt differnet locations and places for differnet reasons.
My good friend shot a Giraffe(SP?), he has the hide it's pretty cool, but I just want to give a Giraffe a carrot when I see one
The Kudo is animal that intrest me, Matt(by buddy) has a terrfic mount of one he shot. Maybe Will can shed some light on this, but the only way I have seen them bowhunted is next to a water hole. Do they stalk these beast?
11-24-2008 | 12:24 PM
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RE: African safari hunt. Yay or nay?
Too many pre-conceived ideas here. Africa and hunting, not unlike the rest of the world, is anything you want it to be-especially if you are willing to provide the time and effort. You are behind the wheel. You pull the trigger!You driveyour PH with your desires-not vise versa! Sure, there are high fence operationsbut hunting isvery abundant off such places. Do your homework-make YOUR hunt happen! Stop generalizing!
I have been to Africafour times (twice to Namibia and twice to two different regions of South Africa. I find that amazing since, as recently as eight years ago, I had zero desire to go once!)The first tripin Nambia, I was with gentlemen hunting lions/leopard/plains gameonlands belongingtobush people north of Etosha National Park. The hunt was 100% spot and stalk, or over natural waterholes (no way to turnsuch watering holeson or off as suggested). There wasn't a fence period!
YesGary, Kudu can be stalked... That is exactly how I hunted mine in the East Cape of South Africa (I did shoot one in Nambia over a natural watering hole-I was hoping for a zebra. I tried to kill a zebra for a total of 24 days on thetwo different tripsvia spot and stalk. I finally gave up. I still do not have a zebra and they are the default animal-if you see somethiing out in the distance, chances are it's a zebra).My East Cape Kudu hunt was on a working cattle ranch and the highest fence was exactly three strands of barbed wire similar to those found here. The kudu were able to come and go at their leisure, as was all wildlife. I've hunted the Limpopo Province of South Africa. I killed seventeen animals there-all but two were outside high fence (the two were killed on a 60,000 acres concession). Nine of the seventeen were via spot and stalk. I've recently killed eight animals in the East Cape of South Africa. All eight were via spot and stalk; 5 were 100% free ranging withoutfence ( kudu, bushhog, feral hog, fallow deer, and springbok). I missed shots at "free ranging" Mountain reedbucks, jackels, baboons, warthogs, and bushbucks. I look forward to killing a free ranging cape buff someday (I will do my homework). The leopard I killed in Nambia was 100% free ranging! So, this whole idea that everything is behind high fence is a bunch of hog wash!
The thing whichdrives me crazy here,the generalizations continue to go on and on...Don't talk and speculate, rather go and experience!
My momma told me to be good at something...so I started looking. I have found that I'm really goodwhere adventure mets discovery-hunting, for me,is the tool which forces the blend ofthe two.Africa is an ideal location. Then again, so is the rest of the world...I am notsatisfied hunting exclusively within my own backyard as many are. I am ok with that.
Remember all those nay sayers? Wasn't the world supposedly flat?
I hope this helps!
I have been to Africafour times (twice to Namibia and twice to two different regions of South Africa. I find that amazing since, as recently as eight years ago, I had zero desire to go once!)The first tripin Nambia, I was with gentlemen hunting lions/leopard/plains gameonlands belongingtobush people north of Etosha National Park. The hunt was 100% spot and stalk, or over natural waterholes (no way to turnsuch watering holeson or off as suggested). There wasn't a fence period!
YesGary, Kudu can be stalked... That is exactly how I hunted mine in the East Cape of South Africa (I did shoot one in Nambia over a natural watering hole-I was hoping for a zebra. I tried to kill a zebra for a total of 24 days on thetwo different tripsvia spot and stalk. I finally gave up. I still do not have a zebra and they are the default animal-if you see somethiing out in the distance, chances are it's a zebra).My East Cape Kudu hunt was on a working cattle ranch and the highest fence was exactly three strands of barbed wire similar to those found here. The kudu were able to come and go at their leisure, as was all wildlife. I've hunted the Limpopo Province of South Africa. I killed seventeen animals there-all but two were outside high fence (the two were killed on a 60,000 acres concession). Nine of the seventeen were via spot and stalk. I've recently killed eight animals in the East Cape of South Africa. All eight were via spot and stalk; 5 were 100% free ranging withoutfence ( kudu, bushhog, feral hog, fallow deer, and springbok). I missed shots at "free ranging" Mountain reedbucks, jackels, baboons, warthogs, and bushbucks. I look forward to killing a free ranging cape buff someday (I will do my homework). The leopard I killed in Nambia was 100% free ranging! So, this whole idea that everything is behind high fence is a bunch of hog wash!
The thing whichdrives me crazy here,the generalizations continue to go on and on...Don't talk and speculate, rather go and experience!
My momma told me to be good at something...so I started looking. I have found that I'm really goodwhere adventure mets discovery-hunting, for me,is the tool which forces the blend ofthe two.Africa is an ideal location. Then again, so is the rest of the world...I am notsatisfied hunting exclusively within my own backyard as many are. I am ok with that.
Remember all those nay sayers? Wasn't the world supposedly flat?
I hope this helps!