[quoteCan I climb "quieter" with this stand ][/quote]

You will not find a quieter climbing stand. No creaking, no clanging those loud noisey coated cables inside of a hollow tube, lol. You'll find if you wan't to sneak in and sneak up a tree while being very quiet, you can.

I hope you're right HBA.....but I'm being honest when I say....i could climb VERY quietly with the summit (can't be more UNbiased than me, now.....as I own both). The cables are coated...and once you have your "system" down (I know...I know..) it was pretty easy.

I'm sure it'll get that way with this one, soon enough. I'm gonna climb some, in the morning.

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Glad you like it Jeff. I hated that I had to take mine back, but after trying for two straight days I found that I'm just too tallto climb with it because of it's close to the tree profile.

You gotta remember, I have used summit climber for years until I found the LW. Remember I even bought an 07 model summit too. I had a "system" with them too.Now look, my old summit was quieter than that 07. Why? #1 the teeth weresimilar tothe LW teeth. The"newer" style teeth on the summits are noisey I think. Like I said earlier, if by some odd, small chance you don't like it you will have absolutely no trouble selling it for $325 like you mentioned earlier. I bet you'll like it after you hunt in it some. Good luck and great day

I have a Summit and a Olde man, the OM is much quieter climbing. BTW a LW I will have in a few days....

GMMAT, they are cast aluminum correct?

I am a Corporate Process/Tooling Engineer for a fairly large Aluminum die caster...upon my review(which would be majorly heightened than the average joe)of the quality I was shocked!!! These are finished insome form of a powder coat, which gives it a nice finish....BUT....the flash (no noto 90% of out customers, 100% if there is ANY and I mean any cosmetic or handling requirement) off of the ejector pins and parting line was still present, the gate and overflow vestige was rediculous as was trim shear....there was also RAW aluminum showing = huge customer reject problem if caught to 99.9% of products....the defects ARE visual to the average joe and that is my complaint!!! Does that help with my JUNK comment????

Does that help with my JUNK comment????

No not me??

I'm not 100% sure I'm understanding what your saying. You are saying that the casting flash is excessive? I understand that some peoplewanta nice and smooth finish since it is a high $ stand, but in your opinion does that make it any less effective as a deer stand? Yes or No?

Nice concept, kindof busy IMO but for the money you should get better quality....what does it offer for an extra hundred that summit don't???