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Let me know if you decide to go and it is anywhere near Dayton.

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No stragglers, dude.....the offer was for one person!

(jk;))

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This is 100% gospel right here. I still am not saying you should or should not take your son on this hunt, but the above quote is as true as it gets and taking him on a hunt like that would be robbing your son of that. I still think that if you a willing to take him, it should be your son who decides if he wants that kind of hunt or not, but I would point out the above to him as something this hunt would steal from him.

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Well, Jeff as usual, your worried too much about what everyone else thinks and not using your noodle you have. This is one those decisions you shouldn't have to ask on a public forum. Its a no brainer. The kid is 16, and almost a man, if he wants to do it. Do it!!!! If he doesn't, don't.

I guantee you if a few on this page did it, you have would have no issue. I wish my nieghbor would invite me over to slaughter a nice hog he has, and I will go over there and cut its throat and be eating pull pork by tomorrow.

This is one big issue I have with the bowhunting forum. Everybody wants to make bowhunting into this magical state of being, or being one with the spirit of the wild or some crap. Thats just some new age fufu crap. Guys, its killing and grillin.

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Jeff, I honestly didn't read every single post. How much land does this high fence hunt include? Because honestly, my feelings about high fence hunts vary depending on how "fenced in" these deer really are. If someone has a high fence operation that consist's of thousands of acres to contain their deer, and keep other people out, it's not a big deal to me. And I still call it hunting. But, if it's a small enclosure, say50-100 acres or so, I don't feel the deer have the same ability to avoid the hunter that a large expanse of land would provide, fenced or not. This is strictly how "I"feel aboutit.

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Don't think that you are gonna find many high fence operations in Ohio that are anywhere near "thousands" of acres. Most of the ones that i have heard of in the eastern U.S are generally a few hundred acres at most.

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You are correct.;) Appreciate those words. Hell I appreciate everyone's passion for what they believe. This just isn't something made-up. it's a real life free opportunity for him.....if he so chooses.

EI..I "think" it's about 200 acres.

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Jeff, if you are goin' to fork out the $ in travel to take him on that hunt, why not just take him to a state that you can buy him a non-resident tag and go hunting. I go to maryland every year and hunt state land, and I see 150" deer. Or take him to some place like higginson henry in ky, They got some whoppers there too. Misouri is another great non-resident state..

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That's a tough one. That's not much land. But anyway,I'm sure you'll do the right thing. This too, shall pass.:D

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GMMATT,
iF YOU CAN GET IT, DO IT. YOUMAY NEVER HAVE A TIME LIKE THIS WITH YOUR SON AGAIN. i WILL NOT HUNT FENCES BUT IF I GOT THE CHANCE FOR MY SON I WOULD.

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i just don't see how this could help him get fired up. when he gets back and brags to his buddies at school about shooting a farmed deer. what if the buddies are being sucessful in the wild?hows that conversation going to go? i can see more bad and no good..........tony

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Do what YOU think is right and do it with a conviction that can only come from inside YOU. That is what our children see, it is what they learn from and it is how we pass on our values to them. Our actions and convictions teach our children more than our words ever will.

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Dude....They're SIXTEEN.

"Hey man....got a picture of that deer you killed?"

"Sure. Here he is."

"Cool!"

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True dat ;)

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Wrong again. You tell Jeff not to worry about what other people think and in the next sentence you want to brand us as being closet cage shooters like yourself. We WON'T do it because we think it's wrong. Just like I wouldn't cheat on my wife, cheat the IRS, lie, steal or dodge the draft or whatever.

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Seriously, this sums it up nicely.:)

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David:

He was talking to me (in that quote). I think you owe him a big...."nevermind";)

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I'm sorry, but that's the way I read it Jeff. He's saying if the rest of us did it, we'd tell you it was OK to do it. He didn't say YOU... he said a few more of us. It's not a nevermind.

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GMMAT

You make the decision that you feel is best. If you your okay with the decision, then your son is as well. Who cares what anyone on here thinks, its you that ultimately will have the experience and more importantly the time with your son.

Good luck with either decision.

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Is that meant to point a finger in MY direction? I certainly hope you're not doing that.

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Your speaking for Jeff? You know what he is thinking? I am speaking to Jeff, not you.

Dave you think its wrong to go out and kill deer at the "petting zoo", and kill a nice buck and mount it? I mean its mostly tame deer there. Probably hand fed thru the year.

You want to hunt wild deer, you go out to the mountains of Eastern Ky, TN, or even most parts of WV. Hunt where they have a place to hide, and run. Not just deer that have been cornered by 50 hunters on a few acres that have no where to hide.Just my take on it. I see some of theseguys here around AA and balt county think they are ultimate hunters because of kill numbers. What they don't realize is how easy it is to sit on hedge rows and the deer have no where else to go.

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I sure wasn't thinking of you in particular David. Dave, its not all about you on these pages.

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I know my son wouldn't do it. Just turned 18 and he would rather hunt.

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Once again, GMMAT posts yet another irrelevant post, with 143 replies. I could care less what you do with your kid. It's your kid. You want to teach him hunting in high fence, good job Daddy.Forget teaching him scouting, forget teaching him hunting, forget teaching him ethics, just tie a deer to a tree and let him kill it. Great Father/Son bond.

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Holy mackerel!![:@] Where did that come from?:eek:

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heard choice to make i would take to your son explain how you feel and explain how the hunt would go
let him make the choice

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I rarely post anymore on here because of argumentsbut bigcountry summed it well....

I have worked for a couple high fences when I was a younger man and the deer were in no way "tame".....people with this perception need to visit one not a petting farm.

Topics like these and seeing bowhunters worry what others think made me leave bowhunting for 5 years(besides some meat hunts here or there)and go to waterfowl. Who gives a rats behind what most of these wannabe elitists think anyway?????? My guess is most of then have never killed more than one or two deer in their life so it is a "magical" thing but really it depends on where you hunt.....I used to kill 3-4 deer a year when I had more time, now I dont, sure it is a experience to appreciate but it is also a primitive act of putting meat down..... It is your and your son's choice GMMAT!! Who cares what we think! If you want a different experience and some extra venison but your son dont want to do it, why not try it once???? Sure it isnt the same as hitting the jackpot on a duke in the wild but a deer is a deer at that point.

My 2 cents. Sure I will get flamed for my opinion but oh well!:):(

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And where in my post did I say ME.... I said the rest of US. You're reading between your own lines.

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Ok, fair enough. So you were just butting into apost between Jeff and I?

Oh that makes sense.:D

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Respect your elders bigcountry.[8D]

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Oh, I respect David. I have no problems with him. I even don't like high fense hunting. What I don't like is the ethics police on this forum. It gets old. I have friends in WA state who, when they see how MD'ers hunt, laugh and say "thats not hunting". I shrug and tell em, you gotta do what you gotta do. Everybody has thier sense of what is hunting. For instance, I will never have food plots, am totally against baiting, and herd management. But if its legal and person gets joy out of it, I am not paying thier way to hunt. They have to figure out that one for themselves. I sure don't need to ask peoples opinion on a forum to make up my mind on what is wrong and right. In the big scheme of things, this decision Jeff has with his son is so small compared to otherdecisions of leading his son to to be a man. Like how he worships God. That would be an important decision.

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I'll admit to 200 acres being really small for a high fence hunt. I am a supporter of every legal means of hunting but I have turned down high fence hunts that I didn't agree with.

BUT......Texas ain't PA, or MI or one of those other yankee places [8D] where they think a 100 acre place to hunt is a big deal. Ranches in Texas are huge most of the time thousands of acres and many square miles. It's my guess (since I don't know and who am I to judge) that most of the anti high fence crowd has no idea what it's like hunting inside a high fence scenario much less one that's thousands of acres. And as far as tame deer and picking out the one you want to shoot, might as well tie one to a tree that is just plain stupidity on the poster's part.

Yes there are some less than desirable operations out there and they give the good high fence operations a bad name.

I challenge ANY of you anti high fence guys to come to Texas and hunt a reputable high fence outfit that consists of a minimum of 3000-5000 acres and honestly tell me it was as easy as picking out a deer and shooting it. Then at least you can say you have tried it and can speak from experience and just not out of your ass about something you know nothing about.

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Jeff, I've read quite a few of your posts over the last couple of years about your son's lack of desire to hunt. You were pretty set in your scent control regiment and he wasn't, so you weren't going to let him hunt some of your stands because you wanted him to do it right. (If I remember that story correctly) It seemed you were frustrated that he really didn't care to put the effort in to hunt.

Maybe thats just it.....he doesn't care to hunt. So be it. Would I be devistated if Wyatt didn't want to hunt with me some day? Absolutely, but I'm not going to force it.

I have a brother who finally came to that conclusion about his son. He's 20 now and doesn't care to hunt that much. He finally said to me, "so be it."

Don't force it Jeff. If he wants to do it, he will. If he doesn't, he won't. There are a lot of other ways to bond.

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bigcountry--"This is one big issue I have with the bowhunting forum. Everybody wants to make bowhunting into this magical state of being, or being one with the spirit of the wild or some crap. Thats just some new age fufu crap. Guys, its killing and grillin."

Since you are so wrapped up into "your" religion and its premises, maybe you just don't care to understand that many people on here don't look at things through your new testaments lenses. That is not a low blow to your faith, but is the truth. I am one of those people that you speak of as "new age fufu crap". People hunting and respecting the animal world as being magical has been around for tens of times longer than even the old testament. That is anything but "new age fufu crap".
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Why have a "high fence"? What does it keep out and what does it keep in?

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I've watched enough shows on the outdoor channel that were filmed in Texas to know that not everyone on this thread is full of BS on high fenced hunts. The feeder goes off, the deer show up, allot of them places were many acres as well. You can't deny that one Mike. Not all are like that but enough of them are. It is what it is. Since when do people agree on this forum anyway??[8D] Specially lately. This is no rip on Texas either, just the majority of the shows are made there it seems.

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I guess if there were 100 head of cattle in a "high fence" and someone said you can go shoot one for the meat with your bow, you would?

There is a reason for the fence being there. To keep the deer/livestock enclosed so they can not get away.

LT

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Well, you keep on being one with the tree. You know what they way about opinions. Everyone's got em.

I think part of it, come from growing in up Eastern Ky for me. Killing animals was no big deal. We had farms around us, you butchered the animals, you eat the animals. Everybody hunted, everybody killed deer. You thanked God for it after the kill, you eat.Then a whole crop of metrosexual hunters came to the scene from the cities. They had to make it into a magical, spirit of the wild adventure. Or in my words, new age fufu crap. As my old Grandmother says, people got too much time on thier hands to worry about the feeling of something. As she said, when she was young, we just too busy surviving.

Totally disagree about it being magical for ten times longer than New Test. People for centuries were just wanting to eat man. They didn't have time for spirit of the wild crap. Maybe you ought to see your theropist on it.:D

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Lot of truth to that bigcountry. lot of truth.