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GMMAT 08-06-2008 12:07 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Jim:

Do you think my son wouldn't laugh at YOU riding a shetland pony, also?

;)

I'd have to ask myself (If I was him).....just how high up are the people condemning me?

huntingson 08-06-2008 12:09 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT
BRy....the LAST thing I'm looking for here is an argument. Huntigson's first sentence didn't mesh (IMO) with the rest of his post. I just asked which part he was agreeing with. Rob's one I look to for advice in things like this...and he helped me make my decision, last year.
Jeff,
All I was trying to say is that I would let my son make up his own mind (like you are saying you would as well) and that I would hope that he would not regret that decision. The rest of my post was stating that I would not pretend to him or myself that I thought it was the right decision. Know what I mean?

hillbillyhunter1 08-06-2008 12:11 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Just for poops and giggles.....the more I think about this.....the moreI wonder how this differs from say your son bringing home a girlfriend of a different race (insofar as leaving him to make his own life decisions).
How would you know she's of a different race??



I wouldn't set him up with her.....but at 16....is he old enough to make that decision on his own? Would I empower him in this decision, though? Let him use the car? Give him some spending cash? etc...?
as long as you're not tying her down to the bed and putting some bee gees music on then that is no comparison


Totally different subject....but the answers to each are likely relative.
You'd want him to date relatives??



Is he old enough at 16 to make these decisions for himself?

Remember....it isn't about me.
What decision is that??

does it matter?? you'd let him anyway.


there is nothing similar or relative in this situation, bad analogy.

bawanajim 08-06-2008 12:15 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

Jim:

Do you think my son wouldn't laugh at YOU riding a shetland pony, also?

;)

I'd have to ask myself (If I was him).....just how high up are the people condemning me?
I'm LMAO at the thought of me riding anything that ain't got wheels.;)

Just like jumbo shrimp,military intelligence,and so many other oxymoron's hunting and high fences just fit together kinda like a web foot on a chicken.:eek:

huntingson 08-06-2008 12:19 PM

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I have to admit, I am confused over how this is turning all of a sudden.

This post was about getting people's opinions. Now others are getting upset over the opinions posted People's opinions should be able to be different.Sure would be boringif they weren't.

AF Hunter 08-06-2008 12:21 PM

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Just like jumbo shrimp,military intelligence,and so many other oxymoron's hunting and high fences just fit together kinda like a web foot on a chicken.:eek:
HEY! That one hurt! Dern BJ, I aint slapped you around for anything!:D

Lanse couche couche 08-06-2008 12:21 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
And just think all this fussing and fighting is before we even know what the son will want to do. Will be an even more contentious follow-up thread based on his decision.

GMMAT 08-06-2008 12:22 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

The rest of my post was stating that I would not pretend to him or myself that I thought it was the right decision. Know what I mean?
JIM:

Only reply I have to that is......If I was going to condemn one of his decisions.....I wouldn't give him the choice.

bawanajim 08-06-2008 12:24 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


Just like jumbo shrimp,military intelligence,and so many other oxymoron's hunting and high fences just fit together kinda like a web foot on a chicken.:eek:
HEY! That one hurt! Dern BJ, I aint slapped you around for anything!:D
Don't take it heart ,didn't you catch on after a short stint and get out.;)

AF Hunter 08-06-2008 12:26 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: bawanajim


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


Just like jumbo shrimp,military intelligence,and so many other oxymoron's hunting and high fences just fit together kinda like a web foot on a chicken.:eek:
HEY! That one hurt! Dern BJ, I aint slapped you around for anything!:D
Don't take it heart ,didn't you catch on after a short stint and get out.;)
If you consider 33 years a short stint, YES! I retired from the Air Force (Military Intelligence) on July 1st of this year.

Badger_Girl93 08-06-2008 12:28 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Would this be OK? Would it be teaching him a bad lesson?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. You all helped me with my decision, last year....and I thank you for it.

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

This won't be MY decision. I've read enough, so far, to know that I won't DENY him this if he wants to do it, though.

ORIGINAL: GMMAT

What I was trying to keep out of the conversation was people imposing their OWN thoughts (on the subject at hand....and how THEY, themselves, feel about it)into how HE should feel.

??!!
:eek:
****************
edit: request granted...did it change anything?

early in 08-06-2008 12:31 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


Jeff, if you are opposed to hunting in that manner for yourself what kind of message is it giving your son if you say it's OK for him to do it?
Fair question....but it isn't all about, ME.

No, it isn't about you, but it is about an oppertunity YOU'REpresenting to your son. If you're basicallynot in favor of that type of hunt, you're still participating (however indirectly) in it, and dropping your standards,if you allow your son to hunt that way. Like somebody else said, if your son has an intrest in hunting, he will persue it without the help of a high fence hunt. If he doesn't, he wont.This obviously, will have to be your call. Good luck Dad.;):D

GMMAT 08-06-2008 12:32 PM

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You could build a city between when those two posts aired, Badger.

I mentioned somewhere in between those that I'd made the decision, along the way, to allow HIM to make his own decision.

You can go back and quote that, too, if you'd like.;)

GMMAT 08-06-2008 12:35 PM

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No, it isn't about you, but it is about an oppertunity YOU'REpresenting to your son.
EI...

What if I got him an invite to have dinner with Senator Obama? Should I let my personal views of the man interfere with something my son may enjoy or gain from ("gain" being a VERY broad word)?

Neither is illegal.

early in 08-06-2008 12:40 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
I love how you ask for peoples thoughts on an issue, then you want to argue overtheir answer. You're a piece of work! I'll say it again. This will have to be your call Dad.;)

Germ 08-06-2008 12:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


ORIGINAL: bawanajim


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


Just like jumbo shrimp,military intelligence,and so many other oxymoron's hunting and high fences just fit together kinda like a web foot on a chicken.:eek:
HEY! That one hurt! Dern BJ, I aint slapped you around for anything!:D
Don't take it heart ,didn't you catch on after a short stint and get out.;)
If you consider 33 years a short stint, YES! I retired from the Air Force (Military Intelligence) on July 1st of this year.
Jim likes sticking his foot is his mouth[8D]

GMMAT 08-06-2008 12:42 PM

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EI put a sock in it.....lol.

I'm not arguing with you. I aksed you a QUESTION.:D

If I didn't think it was relative....I woudn't have asked. I'm interested in your answer.

huntingson 08-06-2008 12:43 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT
JIM:

Only reply I have to that is......If I was going to condemn one of his decisions.....I wouldn't give him the choice.
I think you are misunderstanding my point. Condemn andnotagree withare 2 different things. Plus, I think that the best lessons learned are from mistakes we make and not allowing someone to fail is really a disservice to them in the long run IMO.

You're a good person, and I am sure a good dad. You know your son and what the right course of action is. I am just saying what is right for me in my situation tothe best of my knowledge.

bawanajim 08-06-2008 12:44 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


ORIGINAL: bawanajim


ORIGINAL: AF Hunter


Just like jumbo shrimp,military intelligence,and so many other oxymoron's hunting and high fences just fit together kinda like a web foot on a chicken.:eek:
HEY! That one hurt! Dern BJ, I aint slapped you around for anything!:D
Don't take it heart ,didn't you catch on after a short stint and get out.;)
If you consider 33 years a short stint, YES! I retired from the Air Force (Military Intelligence) on July 1st of this year.
Jim likes sticking his foot is his mouth[8D]
Langually challenged, follicly challenged, and now the eyes are going. look close at the little smiley guy. That looks just like this.;)

GMMAT 08-06-2008 12:48 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

The rest of my post was stating that I would not pretend to him or myself that I thought it was the right decision. Know what I mean?
Sorry, Jim....I just took it to mean you would tell him you weren't happy about his decision if he asked.If thatWAS the case (not syaing it is) ....what I meant was I wouldn'tgive him the chanceto make that decision if I thought I'd have to tell him that.

I apparently misunderstood. Sorry about that.

Germ 08-06-2008 12:49 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Sure the winky winky trick:D

HuntingBry 08-06-2008 12:53 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Man, this thing is still going? I thought Jeff made up his mind to let the boy choose for himself. What the hell are the last 5 pages about?

MC Bowhunter 08-06-2008 12:57 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Jeff,
I didn't read all 10 pages of this post & you could probably care less about what I'm going to say. But why would you take your son on a high fence hunt that he may shoot a 150 class deer at when he doesn't really spend much time hunting now. If he wanted to hunt it sounds like he could do plenty of it around your place. No he probably wont get a big buck. But let him pay some dues first and show some interest in the sport.



kickin_buck 08-06-2008 12:59 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche

I had a good friend that took his teenage son on a canned hunt. The kid is now shacked up in San Francisco with a 40 year old Puerto Rican hairdresser named Mr. Rico. They are in the process of adopting an HIV+ Romanian orphan. The kid says that it was the canned hunt that made him decide to switch teams[:-]
I may not agree with lcc too much and I am not saying that this post was perfect, but it is FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GMMAT 08-06-2008 01:00 PM

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But why would you take your son on a high fence hunt that he may shoot a 150 class deer at when he doesn't really spend much time hunting now.
Because he wanted to go????


If he wanted to hunt it sounds like he could do plenty of it around your place.
We've already addressed that. I think he's gonna have to show some interest, here, or it won't be brought up. I don't disagree with you, here.;)



early in 08-06-2008 01:01 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Ok Jeff. At this stage of the game I should get some background.Is your son aware that YOU aren't a believer in this type of hunt, and why? And if so, then ask him what he thinks about hunting this way, and why he feels the way he does about it.If he doesn't personally have a problem with it,and he wants to go,then take him and have a fun time.
That's the best I can come up with.:D

Schultzy 08-06-2008 01:03 PM

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ORIGINAL: MC Bowhunter

Jeff,
I didn't read all 10 pages of this post & you could probably care less about what I'm going to say. But why would you take your son on a high fence hunt that he may shoot a 150 class deer at when he doesn't really spend much time hunting now. If he wanted to hunt it sounds like he could do plenty of it around your place. No he probably wont get a big buck. But let him pay some dues first and show some interest in the sport.


I 100% agree with this. Pretty much what I said as well in my post. Really what is he going to learn in a fenced hunt? He can learn a hell of allot more at home hunting in the woods with GMMAT then with GMMAT at a deer farm!

kickin_buck 08-06-2008 01:04 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


No, it isn't about you, but it is about an oppertunity YOU'REpresenting to your son.
EI...

What if I got him an invite to have dinner with Senator Obama? Should I let my personal views of the man interfere with something my son may enjoy or gain from ("gain" being a VERY broad word)?

Neither is illegal.
Letting your son have dinner with Obama is WAY worse than taking him on a high fence hunt, I mean WAYWAY worse.

MC Bowhunter 08-06-2008 01:05 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Does he only want to go because he has a chance at shooting a big buck?

GMMAT 08-06-2008 01:09 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

Ok Jeff. At this stage of the game I should get some background.Is your son aware that YOU aren't a believer in this type of hunt, and why?
Probably not to the extent you guys are.


And if so, then ask him what he thinks about hunting this way, and why he feels the way he does about it.
I stated he probably doesn't know.....but the rest of your point sounds exactly like what I have planned.


If he doesn't personally have a problem with it,and he wants to go,then take him and have a fun time.
That's the plan. And if he asks....I'll tell him truthfully how I feel.....as unbiased as I can. This isn't like car-jacking or stealing stands. PLENTY of people have no issues with this type endeavor....AND they're paying money to do it. We're not paying....OR...he'd hear THAT side of it, too (actually....it wouldn't be brought up if it wasn't so reasonable, fiscally).

Looks like you've changed your mind on how to approach this, EI.





Lanse couche couche 08-06-2008 01:12 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Where in Ohio is this place?

Sooner State Hunter 08-06-2008 01:16 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
You may have said, but how many fenced acres are we talking about at this place?

early in 08-06-2008 01:19 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

ORIGINAL: GMMAT


Ok Jeff. At this stage of the game I should get some background.Is your son aware that YOU aren't a believer in this type of hunt, and why?
Probably not to the extent you guys are.


And if so, then ask him what he thinks about hunting this way, and why he feels the way he does about it.
I stated he probably doesn't know.....but the rest of your point sounds exactly like what I have planned.


If he doesn't personally have a problem with it,and he wants to go,then take him and have a fun time.
That's the plan. And if he asks....I'll tell him truthfully how I feel.....as unbiased as I can. This isn't like car-jacking or stealing stands. PLENTY of people have no issues with this type endeavor....AND they're paying money to do it. We're not paying....OR...he'd hear THAT side of it, too (actually....it wouldn't be brought up if it wasn't so reasonable, fiscally).

Looks like you've changed your mind on how to approach this, EI.




Not really Jeff. I still believe in what I said the first time. But since you got political on me, I figured I'd see how diplomacy worked.:D:D

virginiashadow 08-06-2008 01:21 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Have him pick up his bow and head into the woods with you. Jeff, I give a big hell no to taking your son to a high fence slaughter house.

MC Bowhunter 08-06-2008 01:23 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
Jeff,
You know making memories is what it's all about. My son is 17 and I seldom see him anymore because he works after school and doesn't get home until after I'm in bed. If we are lucky we might getina spring turkey hunt together. So if you see this as a way to spend time with you son then go for it! That's what it's all about anyhow. It's really not about the kill. Although if he gets a big one he might think it's pretty cool and want you to take him back every year...LOL

GMMAT 08-06-2008 01:28 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
touche', EI.;)

Lanse....Don't know. But if I remember correctly.....it's about 200 acres.

Brett....I can respect your views. Would it make any difference if he hunted with me a lot?

What if I offered the hunt to any of you guys? I wonder how many, really, would take it? While I can appreciate everyone's views on the subject (which the majority mirror mine).....it is what it is. He'd know that, going in. I wouldn't sugar coat this, but I wouldn't portray it as something HE should be ashamed of, either.

Hell I thought about it for a short time, myself. He's SIXTEEN. Hell likely take a deer bigger than anything he'll ever SEE in his lifetime from stand....if he hunted religiously for the rest of his life. And what if he decided hunting wasn't "that" important to him.....and had views that thought htis was "OK". Like I said....PLENTY of peole pay for these chances, every year. They're not lepers. They just have a differing view as to what "hunting" is than you and I. I don't begrudge them for that.

davidmil 08-06-2008 01:30 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
I can't be bothered to read all these replies. I am retired you know and have to save time for naps every day. LOL Anyway, I'm not a fence hunter. I wouldn't take the hunt for myself so really can't recommend it to your son. There's nothing wrong with hunting a few days, weeks or a year without shooting something. It makes you a better hunter and you appreciate the successes more. Hunting in fences,it's nothing more than picking your venison chops out on the hoof and shooting it. You and I know it's 100 % success, usually in a couple hours. Why don't you just have him tie one up for you. I can't recommend that type of hunting to anyone. It will make them tire of real world hunting in a hurry when they don't shoot 150 inch buck every trip out. I think it's the wrong message. Tell your client thanks but it's just not going to work out right now. You do what you want, but don't be coming on here posting pictures of the great proud poppa and son and think we're going to call it hunting.;):)

Lanse couche couche 08-06-2008 01:32 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 
I asked WHERE in Ohio?

GMMAT 08-06-2008 01:33 PM

RE: High Fence - Real Life Scenario
 

You do what you want, but don't be coming on here posting pictures of the great proud poppa and son and think we're going to call it hunting.;):)
I have a strange suspicion that everyone here knows me better than that.;).....incuding you.

Although I gotta be honest with ya, David.....I think there's probably more wool pulled over people's eyes than others might htink when people here discuss where/how they hunt.;)

GMMAT 08-06-2008 01:34 PM

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I asked WHERE in Ohio?
Sorry. Don't know, really. Millersburg comes to mind, though....unless thats where someone from here is from.....lol.


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