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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH I don't like to shoot yearling animals, period. I try to harvest the game that has the same amount of experience I have. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: magicman54494 ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH I don't like to shoot yearling animals, period. I try to harvest the game that has the same amount of experience I have. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: bawanajim I guess if we wanted to make it challenging we could make them try to shoot a doe fawn with a Ross.[:-];) Ohhhhhhhhhhhh did I say that out loud?????????????????????????? 
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH I don't like to shoot yearling animals, period. I try to harvest the game that has the same amount of experience I have. I'll smoke a 1.5 year old doe all day long. But they get a pass for being a yearling in my neck of the woods. IMO, it is like killing the birds that nest in my wreaths. They have no experience. I hunt for mature animals because it is hard. Really hard. If I want good meat, I shoot a doe (Do this anyway for herd purposes). You do what you want, I do what I want, GAME ON. |
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I'll do what I want (but by the way IMO what you are doing is like shooting birds out of my wreath)" I didn't type that, I typed this: IMO, it is like killing the birds that nest in my wreaths. They have no experience. I guess I will have to hold out for a 33 year old deer. If I were you, which I am not. I would hold out for mature animals that have the same kind of "savvy" you have around the deer woods. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
If I don't have meat in the frezzer and it islate in the season thenyes I would! If I have one with the recurve in my had then it's a BIG YES!!!!!I would!!! Other than that No!!
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
One to walk out in front of me. A doe, is a doe, is a doe.
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
I prefer to wait for an older doe to harvest - But there are times when I have harvested a doe fawn - it all depends on where i am hunting, I would not want to drag a fawn from deep in the swamp - but 100 yards into the woods - might be a different story - prob the last few years I have targeted 1.5 year old and older on does and 2.5 and older on bucks
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
I'll stick a doe fawn unless it's in spots. When I do it, I do it for the meat, not for the hunt, not for the challenge (although hitting those little suckers can be tricky), but for the meat. That tender venison is some of the finest red meat I have ever eaten and will try to get some of that in my freezer every year.
Not every deer has to be for the challenge for me, some have another place, and that is next to the potatoes and carrots.;) |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH I don't like to shoot yearling animals, period. I try to harvest the game that has the same amount of experience I have. I'll smoke a 1.5 year old doe all day long. But they get a pass for being a yearling in my neck of the woods. IMO, it is like killing the birds that nest in my wreaths. They have no experience. I hunt for mature animals because it is hard. Really hard. If I want good meat, I shoot a doe (Do this anyway for herd purposes). You do what you want, I do what I want, GAME ON. |
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OK...GAME ON then. A yearling is a 1.5 yr old deer. One line says you give yearlings a pass, the next says you smoke them all day long. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
It is with a great deal of soul searchingthat I have decided to refrain from eating Veal Picatta or Veal Oscar or braised shanks. Fried young chicken is off the menu and rolled boneless leg of lamb is now a No No.
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
Icall2much, while I understand that you want a challenge in the game you hunt, the rest of usare not as choosey when it comes to meat. Many of us hunt for meat and for the challenge of deer hunting in general. Let's not get an"above the rest of attitude" about deer hunting or a "holier than thou" attitude. If you don't want to shoot em don't, but don'tsay that it is not a challenge or it is not an accomplishment for someone to kill a fawn, that is belittling and arrogant. Im not calling you arrogant, Im saying the statement is. You say you want to kill an animal with as much experience and savvy as you??? Well sir, that would be every deer in the woods for the most part, they are in the business of survival, a fight for their lives every single day, when is the last time you ducked an arrow or walked by a guy with a weapon inhis hand waiting to kill you??? I believe we are greater than an animal, but they are better at this than we are, even a fawn....:D
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
Yall probably wont be interested to hear this but in Scotland our deer herd's (red deer) are managed with such scrutiny and accuracy by local gamekeepers that it is illegal to kill fawns here, its considered unethical as a young deer should be allowed a chance at life at least. Its immoral to kill one and people would probably give you looks for it.
Im suprised it is allowed in America, indeed. I personally would never kill a fawn its wrong in my opinion but who am I to judge. Game keepers maintain the herd so that there are hardly any weak stags so it is strong. Just thought i'd share some of our ways incase you guys were interested in hearing. On the other hand with Roe deer you can kill any kind you want except fawns. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
If you don't want to shoot em don't, but don't say that it is not a challenge or it is not an accomplishment for someone to kill a fawn, that is belittling and arrogant. Good points though, deer hunting varies from place to place, that is a fact. Fawns get a pass in MY book.:D Good discussion fellas! |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
If the game comission thought it was unethical to kill a fawn here in the states, then you bet your -ss they would make it illegal to shoot one.
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: ICALL2MUCH OK...GAME ON then. A yearling is a 1.5 yr old deer. One line says you give yearlings a pass, the next says you smoke them all day long. |
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If the fawn is hurt to point it will die a slow painful death then I will take it out, other then that the fawn and all antlerless deer get a free pass from me
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
Well that is obviously true but it must not be considered unethical to them. Rules and regulations vary from country to country, state to state and i know that its always been like that here, people dont like it and consider it wrong and i can see why.
I know quite a bit out hunting regulations over there because my boyfriends dad has a 280 acre ranch in rural MS and i do respect what they do there and do not condemn just because of differences. I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. I guess we're a different kind of people here. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
If the game comission thought it was unethical to kill a fawn here in the states, then you bet your -ss they would make it illegal to shoot one. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. First off.....by the time this fawn makes it through the hunting season.....it's going to take as much food to sustain that animal as it would an adult doe (or nearly as much). So.....let's say you have a pasture for your horses.....and it's 15 acres. You can graze 3 in there all year long and not run out of grass. Now what would happen if you put 10 more in there? Now what are they going to graze on? It's legal to kill fawns here for several reasons. No. 1.....there's NOTHING wrong with killing one. No. 2....in areas that are overpopulated....and tags are abundant (Hmmmm wonder why the tags are abundant???)....it IS the moral thing to do. Fawns are the weakest of the species and in many US regions......they're the first to die off in harsh winters. Whats more ethical? Kill them via hunters or let the predators, disease and starvation/exposure kill them? It's not like we (hunters) are particularly "targeting" fawns.....but I killed two last year (I believe)....and I know I killed a piebald fawn in 2006. Are they "trophies"? OK......Yeah.....I think any deer taken with a bow is. DO I post up those photos? Nope (other than the piebald). Many in the US wouldn't approve of the way Europe views nudity.......but it's mostly because they don't understand your somewhat different outlook on this.....andalso because they're just archaic prudes. You don't have to agree with our hunting laws. You don't have to obey them. But if you don't understand them......isn't it a littleignorant to pass judgement on them? |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
You got it I call2much;), look, I have no problem with someone not shooting a fawn, I shoot one or two a year, most of the time I shoot any antlerless deer when the urge hits me, doesn't alwaysend up being a fawn. or vice versa. I will try to make 100% sure it is not a button, because I do believe in letting some areas get bucks old enough to reach their full potential. I have a lease where I won't shoot any small bucks and I will shoot 2-6 does a year. I have another place that is being bulldozed by the day, if I have not taken an animal all year, the first one that gives me a shot will get it, including spikes and 4 pts etc... this is the only place I do this, Im doing my part for herd control. Good talk and nice to talk with someone on here that doesn't want to meet at Mcdonalds around the corner to settle it!!:D
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
Yeah you're right. I guess since I have less than 5,000 posts or been a member of this site forless than a year I couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to understand the intricasies of this forum. I guess you could liken me to one of those doe fawns. Trust me, getting personally involved in a faceless arena where there are no repercussions for ones actions or comments other than someone who wants to impose their views on my lifestyle by criticizing mine, is the last thing I would ever do.
Keep on ebbing bro. Yours truly, the new guy. ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d ORIGINAL: loogout1 This thread may be the single most obvious example of self-righteous, pat myself on the back cause I do it this way, I've ever seen on here. What arguement could anyone of you have ifit's being done legally?All of a sudden the guys who dont do it are the ethics police for the guys who do and vice versa? Unbelievable. Somewhere along the way I read the word selfish in regards to shooting a doe fawn, seriously? I hope not. Why bother to shoot that 1.5 or that 2.5 then. What, it's ok since they have had more life experience? We're talking about deer here. You wouldn't think the Bambi syndrome would be alive and well in hunters but here it is. Blast away, but all those who criticize the other side on this, no matter what side you're on, are wrong. It's like any topic there are tose that do this and those that do that..thats a forum for ya..anything else is a Post and ten people saying ."Yep" I see your kinda new Loogout...learn the ebb and flow of the board and don't get so personally involved. :D |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. First off.....by the time this fawn makes it through the hunting season.....it's going to take as much food to sustain that animal as it would an adult doe (or nearly as much). So.....let's say you have a pasture for your horses.....and it's 15 acres. You can graze 3 in there all year long and not run out of grass. Now what would happen if you put 10 more in there? Now what are they going to graze on? It's legal to kill fawns here for several reasons. No. 1.....there's NOTHING wrong with killing one. No. 2....in areas that are overpopulated....and tags are abundant (Hmmmm wonder why the tags are abundant???)....it IS the moral thing to do. Fawns are the weakest of the species and in many US regions......they're the first to die off in harsh winters. Whats more ethical? Kill them via hunters or let the predators, disease and starvation/exposure kill them? It's not like we (hunters) are particularly "targeting" fawns.....but I killed two last year (I believe)....and I know I killed a piebald fawn in 2006. Are they "trophies"? OK......Yeah.....I think any deer taken with a bow is. DO I post up those photos? Nope (other than the piebald). Many in the US wouldn't approve of the way Europe views nudity.......but it's mostly because they don't understand your somewhat different outlook on this.....andalso because they're just archaic prudes. You don't have to agree with our hunting laws. You don't have to obey them. But if you don't understand them......isn't it a littleignorant to pass judgement on them? All I was saying was that i felt it was wrong to kill a fawn, that was just my opnion, but if it has to be done then i have to accept it. Thats life. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
RG, how did you meet a good olMississippi boy????
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He is studying aircraft and mechanical engineering degree here in Glasgow. I wanted to date someone from another country and I thought southern would be interesting ;)
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. I guess we're a different kind of people here. We have too many deer, here (where I live). If I hunted exactly as I wanted to (which I may, one day).....I won't take them, either (fawns). But I now why they NEED taking in many areas.....and I understand why some people prefer to eat them. For the record.....they're super tasty!;) |
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WE are the best!! Gentlemen, yet untamed!!!
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Untamed? You can say that again!
:D;) He's a nice guy, he loves it here. I think he should have been born Scottish the way he acts lol. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. I guess we're a different kind of people here. We have too many deer, here (where I live). If I hunted exactly as I wanted to (which I may, one day).....I won't take them, either (fawns). But I now why they NEED taking in many areas.....and I understand why some people prefer to eat them. For the record.....they're super tasty!;) I can't wait till i go bowhunting in November, there have been nice 12pt bucks hanging around his land and his dad got a few last year. Im excited. Well its been nice talking you yall im off to bed its 12 midnight and im working tomorrow. G'night gents. |
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Have a good evening.;)
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My wife's parents are from England, they just don't get me, or understand what Im saying!!! I always have to repeat myself... southern draw I guess..
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
Oh I will, I'll be dreaming of killing a big red stag in the highlands with my remington 700 or bowhunting in MS :D
Nighty |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: Vabowman My wife's parents are from England, they just don't get me, or understand what Im saying!!! I always have to repeat myself... southern draw I guess.. |
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nighty night!!
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
A fawn would have to present a high percentage shot for me to shoot it, just like any other deer, no matter how tender the meat.
I would never kill agray-faced buck with big antlers though,which would mean removing amongthe healthiest of deer with perhaps thestrongest genetics in the herd and the greatest chance of surviving winter. I have no problem with anyone who would choose to do such a thing though... |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
what??? not shoot a grey faced buck with big antlers???? are you nuts??!!! Naw, j/k shoot what you wish or don't shoot, your preference!!:D
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Never, less Iwas starving. But before anyone blows a gasket, I say this because we dont have high deer densities in these mountains, every doe fawn that can make it to their 2nd birthday,I am happy for her, because shes lucky to avoid the mt.lions, wolves, bearsand yotes that run this country.
I'll shoot a big buck,bear, cow elk or bull elk to help fill the freezer; they have a lot more meat on them anyway.. If I lived where deer populations needed thinning, I'd be glad to fill those antlerless tags.. but honestly I have a hard time shooting youngsters, I'd believe I target/shoot a mature does.. |
RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
A young hunter or a rookie should take the first opportunity at a kill shot that presents itself, to get their first kill and gain confidence in their equipment, thats the only reasonI cansee to kill a fawn.
30 to 40 pounds dressed, maybe 10 to 15 pounds of meat if your lucky once caped and deboned, a family of 4 might get 2 BBQ dinners out of one, hardly worth the price of gas, and an arrow and broadhead let alone 2000.00 dollars for equipment and another 40 grand for a 4 wheel drive to get ya to your favorite hunting spot. They are Dumber than fricken Dirt, if seperated from their mother you can call them right to you, they will even fallow you to your stand. I guess you could consider them a challenge if your a poor shot, after all it is a little bitty target. Ever wonder why them PETA pecker heads post pictures of them bent over spreading their cheeks blowing us a kiss? Its because of threads like this when some people have to justify their reasons for Killing bambi and look for support on an Open Public Forum and others have to join in with their YUM YUM Bambi tastes so good, without thinking Shoot what you must, but take a moment to think about what you post! |
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I can see the black helicopters now......circling overhead, Sliver...[8D]
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