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I ride on them!

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Silverflicker

One winter Tylerand I quit counting after hitting 300 pluswinter killed fawns while shed hunting. If we would have kept counting... the number would have been close to twice that. The coyotes couldn'teat them all and most rotted that spring. I kept thinking what a waste. Granted it was a badwinter but itis not auncommon to find50 -100during tough winters. Since" most " hunterswill not kill a fawn... there are a lot running around towards the end of bow season.If I have a tagthat late in the seasonthen doe fawns are fairgame. One less possiblewinter kill that goes to waste.

Read the post I quoted above. Troy is a great friend which I respect and mean no disrespect. If it were me in a low population situation likeTroy's... I wouldn't shoot a mature doe period.I would rather shoot a doefawn all though I doubt I would even do that.A fawnis less likely tosurvive due to the reasonsTroy listed. Amature doe is more likely to survive winter/predators to producefawns the next year. Too mepassing a mature doe at all costsis good for a low population. I wouldn't bank on the fawn.

I've got my reasons... you, Troy and everyone else has theirs. Really is no right and wrong.

Tim

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hmmm...I don't try to justify my reasons and certainly don't look for support on this or any other forum. Like I said...I go to the woods to kill a deer, I have a tag, a doe fawn (which some bio's feel is the best target for overall health of the herd) walks into range. That all looks like a reason to shoot it to me.

But, I do find it comical when guys like you come on a public forum and tell others what they do shouldn't be done because you don't agree with it. I am sure all of us bambi killers will take your edict to heart this fall, that only rookie and novices should kill a fawn.

I don't know where you hunt, but somehow in my 30 years of calling myself a deer hunter, I have yet to have any deer of any age follow me to my stand. I won't sit here and tell you a fawn is a challenge, but I will tell you that I stand to loose permission on some of my places if the landowner found out I passed up any antlerless deer.

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I have also seen the winter kills up here Tim, But it was back when our deer numbers were highand years with extremely bad winters when the snow had froze to ice and the browse lines were eaten up so high they could not get tofood standing on their hind legs. But those years are long gone here.
My post was not to offend anyone that sees reason to shoot young deer, but to make a point that an open public forum is no place to boast about killing Bambi or a place to look for justification in doing so. If anyone took time to look through my posts they would see most of them is me giving my congrats to those that have posted pic's of yes even button bucks.
I was going to ignore this thread completely till it hit 20 pages and figured it was just a matter of time till some uncle Ted wannabe posted a picture of a 30 pounder cut in half with a Rage.

I have a hard enough time with the non hunting public justifying our bow season.

Thanks for the polite post Tim, like you said there is no right or wrong, but there is a time and place for such things and I dont see this being it.

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I don't shoot fawns, one button buck/doe fawn confusion, though I can tell the difference typically. But you never know, also they're just so tiny, I'd much rather shoot a mature doe, I shoot big bucks, and does, maybe a management buck.

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I see were you are coming from now. I've alway enjoyed your posts and that one caught me by surprise. Thanks for the reply to clarify!!

Tim

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shoot it first (making sure its not a button buck of course) then worry about the morality of it later... venison is venison and I could always use more meat in the freezer...

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Well you posted on this one twice!
Robin, Robin, for you I will repeat my last sentence.
Shoot what you must, but take a moment to think about what you post!
Lets see where do I start,
Well heck If I had a doe fawn tag from a Bio I guess I would shoot one too! Give me a Hint, Large tract of QDM or high fence?
Now I did not tell you or anyone else not to shoot a fawn, as a matter of factI gave a few good reasons to shoot one that you chose to belittle me with.
As far as where I have hunted Mi, Md, Va, NC, SC, Ga, Al, Ky and Kansas and have had invites from several well known bowhunters over the years for other states but there is only so much of me to go around, so take your pick.

Im Glad you think I am comical, we all need a good laugh in the off season, but now its my turn. I was LMAO when you said you had 30 years deer hunting experience and never called a fawn in and have it fallow you to your stand, I have done this several times, called a 6pt to me on the way to the stand I had to throw a stick at to get rid of, ran into a 8 and 9pt on different occasions and called them back to put an arrow in, almost got Hunched By a monster Buck in Kansas I ran into going to the stand that I called back to me, would have taged him but had no tines off one of his main beams. So I got quite a chuckel out of your post also.
But then maybe thats why I was writing magazine articles and on a bowhunting staff when you still had suction cups on the end of your arrows.

Tell ya what, because I am a nice guy, you learn how to post polite on this forum without calling someone a comic or a lier and when I get moved back to Kansas this year give me a PM, and I will teach you grasshopper!

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That is of course if you promise not to shoot the first one with spots, milk on its lips, or a tit in its mouth.

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Sliverflicker, with all due respect sir, your deer pops are far different from ours here in the south. Where I hunt in southeast Va, the deer are lossing land by the minute. They are overcrowded here, we live so close to the coast and the coast is so highly populated with people, they are stretching west in this area. Houses and businesses are spreading like wildfire, Im doing them justice by shooting fawns, trust me, when you see 20+ deer in someones yard and the deer are running up and down the asphalt streets in your neighborhoods, something needs to be done. Let me say, I do not target fawns, anywhere, but I will shoot one or two in these high density areas every year. I do not feel bad or proud really, it's part of doing what we do as hunters. I understand about saying they are tasty etc... I said it and I mean it. PETA is not going to feel any different about it if I don't say that..

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Dear PETA,

I like eating little deer, they are yummy. You know the ones like Bambi, heck if I could I would take out his friendthe rabbit, the squirrel, and any other forest animal I have a license and open season for.They are the perfect size for two big crock pot roasts, ummmmm delicious, my mouth waters just thinking about it. I hear soy burgers are really good....cough...cough...bs....cough....cough. Anyway, stay lame!;)




That is about how much I care what a PETA member or any other animal rights/anti-hunting group thinks. If any were browsing on here Iam not worriedin the least about anything I have posted. I ask them to openly engage in a factual conversation about hunting and if any of the non-hunting public is interested in finding out anything about huntingthat would be the conversation to sit in on. ButI'm sure these groups wouldn't be interested because factual conversations about hunting and its benefits are not something they can intelligently dispute, so until they can I care very little about their input or influence. Ask any non-hunter you know what they think of PETA and most will say they are a joke, because they are.

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Hear! Hear!

This is a hunting site. If we can't say what we want in here.....God help us. It's what we say and do outside of here that worries me (some). In here......we're "home".

I don't give a rat's ass what anyone EDUCATED on the matter thinks about me or anyone elsekilling a doe fawn. If they feel the way they feel after hearing WHY.....then we'll just have to agree to disagree.;)

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You said it was immoral didn't you. Ahhhh Scotland can't even bowhunt there can you?

Not judging,sure your not.

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It is ok if you want to dress me down, but, really...you oughta do it according to what I actually say. No where in my quote can you find anything that says I have never called in a fawn (or any other deer), nor did I call you a liar. What I DID say is that I have never had a deer of any age follow me to my stand. Why did I say that? Well...because I haven't. I suppose that could be wortha"LMAO" as you put it, but I guess I don'tquite get it.

And...no, no high fenceor intensiveQDMproperties for me. What I do have is permission on private propertiesin whichlandowners demand that antlerless deer get removed, or they will find someone else willing to do it. Some are sub-urban props, some are agricultural areas. In fact, most landownerscan't standthe fact that littlebucks get a pass...theydon't get it that I want to save my buck tags for somethingat leastdecent. So you see, I wasn't my intention to belittle you, but was trying to give a legitiment debate to your statement that "A young hunter or a rookie should take the first opportunity at a kill shot that presents itself, to get their first kill and gain confidence in their equipment, thats the only reasonI cansee to kill a fawn." (Yeah...for you, I'll go ahead and repeat your first sentence.)

So...I guess theend result for me is that if a doe fawn follows me to my stand on most of my properties...she'll get shot if shegets close enough.

Beyond that...When are you moving to KS?!?

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In all seriousness Sliver, no disrespect or belittling was meant in that post of mine you quoted. I apologize if you took it that way.

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No apologie necessary Robin, as a matter of fact I am probably the one that should apologize for not explaining myself better in my first post, and the suction cups on your arrows was probably a little much.
I was answering this thread for myself and where I hunt not as a blanket statement condemning others, however I stand fast on fawns being dumber than dirt, thats just a fact and we cant change it, and no reason to boast on a public forum for killing one.

I will be headed to Kansas the end of july.

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I don't recall anyone doing this. I didn't boast whenwe'd kill a steer growing up, either.....but it sure was necessary and the eatin' was superb.;)

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Any bow kill is worthy of some credit, not bragging, but simple and humbles thankfulness and pride all together!!

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I just wanted to be the 3000th guy to click on this thread.[:o]

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My understanding is that it is very difficult to afford to hunt in Scotland or anywhere in the UK and that the gamekeeper is employed by the land owner and not the state.

I received permits to kill seven deer last season (gave up at four) and am just guessing that we have alot more deer here than Scotland ever will. I don't think reducing numbers is one of their goals for the most part.

Edinborough sure does have a nice tatoo though..

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pass on doe fawns every year . I have never been desperate enough for venison to shoot one . I have no problem shooting does and do that every year . I pass on the small bucks . Let'um go and let'um grow !

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I find it funny that another hunter actually cares what another kills or doesn't kill! Who cares go out have fun and hunt! Some of you guys are probably sitting in your stand wondering what they'll say on HNI if I shoot this deer, is it big enough, will it help our team for the contest blah blah blah.......oh man what should I do..... shoot, not shoot, shoot, not shoot.......... the way I see is bottom line is go out and hunt, have fun and shoot what YOU want to and be proud of what ever you kill or don't! These threads kill me...... :D:D:D:D

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I've seen the phrase killing a fawn is not a challenge several tmes reading the responses on this thread,nad I was just wondering if itwas more or less of a challenge killing a trophy buck on a pay hunt with a guide telling you where to hunt,what time the trophy will walk out and from which direction he will be coming from.Just a thought.

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uh oh...................

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Hope you dont mind if I use this post there 61375, but it is a perfect example of what I am talking about.

Do you send PETA money? I mean, you dont care to give them materal they need to take to the non hunting public with your little deer are yummy, you know the ones like Bambi crap, you may as well support them financially as well.

Ask yourself this question, do you think your post helped us, or hurt us bowhunters as a whole?

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I wish more eye's saw the damaging things that are written about our sport by the very ones whomlove this sport.

There are things in every thing we do that are better left unsaid.:eek:

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look, we all need to quit being so paranoid. let PETA visit this site, if they want to talk we will listen and we will do it with respect, at least most of us would.;)

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Bawanajim,truer words have never been spoken!

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Whats funny is everyone ***** footing around the peta idiots, be proud to be a hunter and you need not to explain your passion to no one, period! I have no guilt or feel the need to waste my breathe on people like that!

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Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt..

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I stayed out of this thread because of the, well nevermind. The above quote x 2, especially the last sentence. My how this place has changed. That's my story and I'm sticking to it;).

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X 3. Harvest what makes YOU happy. Some folksshould worry more about shot placement than the size of the animal.

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I don't mind that you used my post at all.

Yeah, the only thing is thathow you look at thisis justnever going to be how I look at it. Don't take that the wrong way we just don'tapproach this topic the same and I'll tell youwhat I mean.

I will not walk on eggshells(especially on a hunting site) about my opinions and stances onhuntingand I damn sure wouldn't bite my tongue and worry how some animal rights group will portray me or any hunter. I don'tworry about how they willportray us because I portay myselfin a very positivelight as a hunter to the non-hunting publicand do much to win them over. So no,I am not going try to fly under the radar or hide from any of those groups because I am not doing anything I am ashamed of and the facts are on my side. We have the advantage with the facts andstatistics about herd management, income/monies produced by the hunting industry/state licensing and I believe wealso have the numbers over the antis although admittedly less proactive.

The anti's however get no lovefrom me because they will never portray myself or any other hunter in a positive light to the point that they will be misleading and deceitful in an attempt to make us all look bad.I believemost relatively intelligent members of the"non hunting public"can see through that, most use animal products, and many have family/friends that hunt even though they maynot. All reasons I think it is easier for them to turn to our sideas opposed to the antis.


Iturn more of the"non-hunting public" into hunters than the average antiis turninginto anti's because I have far more to offer. Lets's see, I can offer something that can become a lifetime passion,freedom in the outdoors, memories made with family and friends,and all of theother things in hunting that can't be put into words.PETA offers alifetime worth of vegan food andlargely ignored protests, ignored because all hunters and many of the "non-hunting public" view such groups as borderline fanatical (possessed with or motivated by excessive, irrational zeal).

So I won't bow down to them I won't even bite my tongue for them. Don't takethat thewrong way either,I don't look for problems and like I saidI present myself in a respectable light that is a benefit to hunters. If a hear a non-hunter saying they don't understand hunting I will try to give them some info and I'll be nice about it. If you are an anti hunter down talking hunting then I won't be nice about it.I will embarass you with numbers, statistics, and most importantly"real life facts" aboutthe benefits of hunting instead of some emotionally charged dribble about loving animals.

We are our own worst enemy because we are in the right, we have more numbers and are capable of recruiting large numbers of new members, the problem is we don't act like it. Many act like we are some helpless group of victims waiting for the antis and "non-hunting" public to end hunting for us. Don't say this and don't say that andyou don't really likeeating little bambis (and evenif you doyou shouldn't say it like that). Well I do and I'll say it how I please and I'llthrow some sarsasm out there and if someone doesn't like it then they can quote me on it and protest me(I'm sure lots will attend).

I'll just take some new people hunting, take my kids hunting, bring people venison, and find other ways to bring people to our side. Join groups of hunters or hunting associations locally, do a 3-d shoot for charity(call the local papers) or a hunting related club sponsored charity car wash or cookout, be active in the community (boy scouts, girlscouts, youth groups seem to like archery demonstrations/participation). There is plenty we can do.

For the most part we don't have to worry about antis ending hunting we should worry about doing more to change misconceptions andshow the positive aspects of hunting.Inviting and introducing new hunters, mentoring them positively, do something about the rapid loss of public and privateland which IMO is more of athreat than antis, and just being more proactive as hunters.

Proactivein building ourselves upand taking back ownership of hunting. It's ours to keep in my mind, not theirs to take. I'm not scared of them (and you can quote me on that too;)).

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And that's all I have to say about that.

Seriously, sorry that was so long.:)

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all that it would take for me is a good shot, i would shoot a fawn over a doe because they taste alot better. In fact just this year i shot a fawn standing with his mom when i could of easily shot the doe.

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Very true BHF!!

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I wouldnt do it intentionally butI know it happens. I killed one several years ago that I thought was just a doe. I was just young and inexperienced.

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Hope everyone has the same attitude (shoot what you want) when the next let it go so it can grow thread starts next year.;)

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letting it go so it can grow has no point for fawn does. They only taste worse as time goes on.

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Charlie....there's a BIG "IF/THEN" when it comes to "let em go so they can grow".

"IF" you're gonna shoot what you want (i.e. juvenile bucks)....."THEN" don't complain about not seeing any bigger bucks.

The folks I don't understand are the ones who get mad at people for shooting juvenile bucks......when those same peoplecouldn't care less about killing bigger bucks. They're happy with what they shot. No patience with that crowd (THAT type QDM'er).......but it took me a little bit to get "here";).