RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

If one was sneaking in the yard going to eat one of my grandchildren, Iwould shoot one!

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Well, obviously. But I assure you one thing, if you stick with this very long, one day, I suspect, you will look back and understand.

What I don't understand, is, if you do not want to hear people's views, (unless they agree with yours), why do you ask the dozens upon dozens of questions?

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BC, seriously......what's so hard to understand about a deer herd that is over-abundant.....and a female deer target in front of you offering a shot? I think that's a fair question. What should the responsible hunter do when faced withthis scenario.

I'm genuinely interested in what the responsible, experienced deer hunter should do in this scenario.

I do wanna hear your POV. Just don't get upset if I ask you "Why" (you have taken that position). I don't like to be told things....I like to be taught. I'm prodding you for your reasoning behind your answer.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Well, if I want to kill that deer, I am going to fire at that deer. I have went thru stages where I desired the meat of a 50-60lb fawn. In fact, I soughtit. But then I go thru what others have and maybe felt wrong about it. Felt, the 10-15lbs of meat you get really isn't worth it, and don't do it anymore. Right now for instance, I miss bowhunting so bad, I would shoot just about anything I had a tag for. In the middle of Oct-Nov., nope, does are going to walk most of the time. What I am saying in a nutshell, is there is no wrong answer, but taking that animal's life just to manage the herd is IMO (you notice I put opinion) is just wrong. QDM just takes the natural spirt out of hunting. At that point, its kinda like ranching. I would just buy my racks off of ebay.

In the end, your the one that has to make these decisions, and whatever any of us thinks doesn't matter as long as your legal. I mean none of us pays your bills or owns your land.

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Given that explanation....I totally respect your opinion....and even understand your first post on this thread.

Thanks.

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I think somewhere you said you were a pork butt smoker. Me, too, I love pulled pork. If you ever tried to smoke a 10-14 lbs deer hind, you know getting that bad boy tasting good and tender and moist is a challenge. But you try smoking a 3-4lb fawn hind, and man, you might go out seeking the illusive fawn more often. :D

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I will keep that in mind;)

Yes....LOVE to smoke Boston Butts.

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230-245degrees? 12-15 hours?

Man, thats good. I have a fewporkpicnics I need to cook up. Just been so windy here, its hard to keep my temp constant.

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I try to stay as close to 220deg. as possible.....but I have the cheap thermometer tha came on the cooker. I suppsoe with the outside temps taken into effect......I'm getting 230-240 on the rack. I've never put a rack thermo on it. I just know MY cooker.;)

12 hrs is the key. When you reach in and pull the bone out of the butt.....it's done.;)

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

I have no interest in shooting a doe fawn.The only way I would shoot a doe fawn is if it had been shot or badly injured in some manner.Then I would shoot it to put it out of it's misery.If we were absolutely over run with deer then I may have a different out look.
I will honestly say for me it is an emotional thing,I don't have an interest in killing bear cubs,poults,or any other first year animal of any species.
I kill adult doe's and do my share from a management perspective.

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Me either, tsoc. There's no correlation.;)

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I have no interest in having 8 pages of debate with you.A less than a year old animal is a less than a year old animal regardless of the species.The least aware animal in the woods,the easiest to kill,period end of story.
You continue to cut your teeth on them,I will kill what I want to kill.;)

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You see.....I don't look at it as a "challenge". It's a necessary evil. I've state why I kill them.....and tocompare this practice to thekilling ofother immature species just isn't fair.

That was the reason for my response.

It's not for you. I get it. I do so becuase I NEED to. Has nothing to do with animals I'm trying to target.

Plus....they are tasty.:D

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Bigcountry, you feel that way as well huh? About QDM. I think it's getting a little rediculous. I have seen it in my area get way out of wack. Guys telling kids they can't shoot a doe for their first deer or a 4 pt b/c it's not old enough! Come on QDM, let it go a little bit. Im not saying I go out shoot spikes and 4 pts and small ones every chance ya get, but Im not gonna tell a 14 yr old to hold back on a legal deer if it comes by. Just my thoughts. Bigcountry, it does take the soul sometimes out of hunting. Some may agree, some not, but I kill bucks, nice ones, and I kill lots of does, lots of them. I eat em and my family eats em, we have over 1 million deer in the state of Va, don't think Im hurting the population or do I believe Im changing it. I don't kill 40 a year but I kill enough to eat and get my fill.

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BC...VA..I'm beginning to see that I don't have control over NEARLY enough land to make a HUGE difference. But.....I think killing does is something I can do to "help". I see what you guys are saying. I will probably get more and more lax the more I hunt about the "mgmt" aspect. If I were managing 50 sq miles......it would be different.

Anybody I invite into my woods is welcome to shoot anything they want. I'll take their photo....help them drag it out.....help butcher it and give 'em a high five.

I didn't used to feel that way.;) I also don't invite just anyone in to hunt.:D

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Jeff I wasn't looking to be an a--hole.You saw in my first post where I stated that my outlook "may" be different if we were over run with deer.I wasn't insulting you,my reply wasn't directed to you or any one else specifically.I said that it was an emotional thing for me,it would bother me to shoot this years born of any species.I understand the biological perspective related to density and habitat,and I do my part,limited by the tags I have.
I wasn't finding fault,it is just not my thing.

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Jeff, you shoot what ever you want and don't worry about it, 8 does one 1 buck, 2 bucks , 0 does, who cares, it's your property and your hunt, just like Bigcountry said, noone pays your bills or owns your land, have at it, if you got that many does I say fling em!!!

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Understood, tsoc. I may have made an unnecessary correlation.;)

Have a good one.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

no reason at all if one walks by I am going to kill it . They eat good

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

they taste good and are easier to drag out of the woods; I have no problem shooting fawns if the oppertunity presents itself

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If I was starving... Whats the point really? I mean it gets you meat but jesus shoot momma and youll be fine. Not letting a deer live for more than 1 1/2... then there is something wrong with you.

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lmao, glad you decided that 1.5 is the cutoff. Why not let em live atleast 2.5? Still young for a deer, heck its just their adolescence.

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Because when a deer is 1 1/2 there not a fawn anymore dumbass

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[&:]

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I dont recall you using the word fawn. I am just trying to understand how you deem it unethical to shoot afawn doe, yet ok to wack its one year older sister. Why is the 1.5 ok to shoot? Im aware that deer aren't fawns after their first year of life, heck I stop callin em fawns after they shed their spots.

Shoot what you want, Dont tell others what to shoot, Enjoy what you shoot. Anyone disagree with these guidelines?

Fawn or Yearling meat is THE best deer meat, bar none. Dont knock it till you try it.

Heck thats just my opinion, its been said something is wrong with me and I am a major DA, who knows[&:]

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

This is funny. 11 pages of knowledgeable men debating others "ethics" or "hunting morals". You could remove doe fawn and insert 2.5 year old 8pt. and it would be the same "do as I do or your wrong" attitude. The entertainment value is priceless. I like to think of them as sandwich size.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Fawns and bucks are the 1st deer to die in the winter. Just thought I'd mention it.;) It don't bother me that you choose not to shoot fawns, Its your choice as its mine.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

young fawn yummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........................

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BS - nothing more.[:'(]

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Fawns are we talking fawns here?? Hey you guys shoot what you want and enjoy! How come the circle of people I'd hunt with, keeps getting smaller.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Bob your little smiley thingys kill me every morning. Keep it going helps me stay awake buddy.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Welcome to most of the 10 page threads on HNI :D

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

if you have a tag for it kill it, not rocket science there

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5 more days biggie and your anniversary on HNI.

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Thank your father for how you feel about hunting and hunters in general.;)
I know growing up there were very few people my father ever hunted with,and as I read some of these answers I'm am very thankful for what he taught me about joys hunting.
And why I have no interest in hunting with people that have so little respect for the animals that I so love to hunt.
Is there any more satisfying moment in the world than standing on a snow covered hillside accepting a grouse from your dog and that time it takes you smooth its feathers before you put it in your game bag? It priceless.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Jim is that ozzy?

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Me Saturday morning.[:o]

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

As an owner of a Labrador Retriever I trained to her MH status.....I know EXACTLY how you feel. No.. There isn't.

Let me ask, though, Jim.....and I do so with respect for your opinion.....or I wouldn't ask....

Is there a situation (in your eyes) where it's OK to kill doe fawns?

Thanks.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

If one were wounded,hit by a car,coyote chewed Yes

A perfectly healthy one ? No not a reason in the world.

RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
 

Thanks, Jim.