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And there it is...all wrapped up in a neat little ball....It's the price we pay for technology. NOTHING is full proof, it's up to each one of us to decide where we draw the line as to what's acceptable and what's not. To me it makes nodifference,anything with moving parts can (and will at some point) fail. It's a calculated risk we take. I was just bringing to the surface the hypocrisy we are all (at one point or another) guilty of when it comes to our choice of components.

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How many indians do you have shooting your bow:D I just have one;)

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I got about 1.5, I need to loose a few pounds!;):D:D

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I've got a whole tribe![&:]:D

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With all do respect Mr Bouncer sir.... your right!:D and thats one tribe I'd hate to **** with!

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I'm all for anyone shooting what they are happy with, one thing I don't get is the "moving parts" argument. It has more moving parts, it could fail. Look around, it's 2008 the wholeworld is moving parts.Coulda mechanical fail? Sure it could, but I havehad fixed blades breakand perform less than100% as well.With all of the money these companies put into development and engineering most products have proven themselves effective long before the customer even sees them. I prefer broadheads I have "history" with, they fly good and have been effective in the past, occasionally I will try something new but you better believe my quiver will havemostly my old faithfuls. For the record the only thing that ever turned me off to Rage broadheads were the recalls but my hunting partner uses them and kills deer consistently(he also did this before he shot Rages) and loves them. He is also the guy with the new set-up every season so newer things appeal to him more than me.

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Lmfao!! So what BH is it Joe? Stinger, buzzcut or the regular 2 blade you were telling me about that your going to use with the longbow? I looked on there website and I can't see any head that is called a Magnus II. You got me confused here big fellar. Its probably right in front of my nose and I'm not seeing it.[:@]

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I think the difference is that if any of the bow stuff failed you likely wouldnot have an arrow in the deer whereas if the broadhead failed to open...........

IMO even if the broadhead blades failed to deploy/open, if the shot is placed well the result may be a bit harder track job but still a dead and recovered deer.

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That is probably 99.9% of the trouble with our world today BigJ.(Bowhunting related or not) I don't have any reason to switch broadheads though. But if I decided to, I just don't think I would want to add (to my dropaway rest) "another" variable. That's just me though.

Speaking of "another indian" as in another variable or piece of equipment that I chose to shoot with. Just saying, we don't have to have the 2" cut to be successful, so why add that "indian" to something that already gets the job done?

LT

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NEW, it took me a while to get over the fact of the recall on the 3 BLADE heads to even try the 2 blade. My buddies were using them and when we would foolow the blood trails I was in shock. Then see the pictures gmatt and others posted made me try the 2 blade. I did this late season and took a Doe and was very pleased with the outcome. You can't beat a 3 foot wide blood trail, I wished I would of taken pictures of that! I still have the old trusty Slick Tricks in the quiver as well, but neither will be afield this year.[8D] The 200gr Magnus II's will be in my quiver this season thats on the Longbow!:)

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LT

it's time to just pick up a spear and chuck it at a deer:D

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This is like saying "I know I have may-pop tires on my truck, but if I have a blowout, I can probably still make it to the shoulder of the road doing 70mph." My whole idea is, "why risk it"?

LT

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LOL, Now Germ don't go giving this old country boy any ideas. I have thought about that before. (Too much noise and movement.)[:-]

I am strongly considering a Trad bow though for doe hunting. I just have not found what I'm looking for yet. No experience in trad, but I am willing to learn.

LT

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Trophy Ridge Drop Zone

Exactly why I am moving away from a fall-away, why risk it?

Like a mech head there are other advantages. Some feel the advantages of a mech head out weigh the "what if"
Just like you think the advantages of your drop away out way the "what if"

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No, actually Germ, the Dropzone is only the 3rd rest I've ever tried. I did not use it out of necessity, I just hated the WB, and the TT just too noisy for me(probably could have fixed that). I just don't have the funds to try all the popular rests out there. I would love to find something full containment that had less moving parts. I hate not knowing if the Dropzone might fail this shot. Maybe you can give me anidea for a better rest for my liking.

LT

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Not entirely true...If your rest fails it could cause a complete miss but it could also cause a far off the vitals hit as could a release failing at the wrong time or a peep not aligning perfect. THEORETICALLY the worst that could happen with a rage not opening (as you mentioned) is you have an arrow through the vitals.....that's still a dead deer.

I see your point though, most likely if your rest fails or release etc...you will end up with a complete miss.

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Here you go LT, I just order both of them to test.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2706451
http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2705904

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Steve here is a link to the heads! 125gr glued on a 75gr steel adapter for a total of 200gr broadhead. I looked on the Magnus website and there just called the magnus....:eek: Like I said they pack a wallop coming from a 575gr-ish total arrow weight!

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/shop...roducts_id=486

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Why risk shots over 25yds? Why risk shooting a deer in the rain? Why risk using an arrow with a FOC less than 10%? I could go on but a lot of folks don't feel those things I mentioned are risky at all. Just as a lot of folks don't feel mechanicals are risk at all. I don't shoot a mechanical. Not because it is risky but because I don't want to.

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I'm sorry LTK, but staying away from mechanicals because they have moving parts and having a fall-away rest on your bow just doesn't make any sense at all. That is like wearing a helmet in your car but not buckling your safety belt.

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I have shoot the rage 3 blade and I also use a dropzone fallaway rest. Dropzone never has fail, and the rage has performed flawless. Massive entrance and exit wounds bigger than the BH much bigger. Also if all 3 blades failed and I still placed the arrow well the broad head is still going to do its job the blades face outward from the start not toward the ferrule like most. There for it will cut nomatter what going in..........

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i did not read every page past 6 and it seems no one has answered why a 2inch cutting blade can cut something 6 inches??

i highly doubt this deer dropped dead in its tracks...so after the shot the 2 inch hole was torn open more as the deer ran.....simple as that.....if you don't think it is possible cut a small slit on the side of your finger...move it up and down for a while and see if the hole gets bigger....


2cents for rage: they are good heads that, for me, fly well out to 70 yards.....however,,,,being a spot staulk/still hunter i found that the blades would pop out of the o-ring walking around with an arrow nocked in the western states...then the o-ring would have to get rotated because it was all ripped up..... i do like the rubber band idea that someone posted....wish i would have thought of that...i will be putting those on this year...

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I know after hearing and seeing GMMATS stories and pictures and Robs endorsement of the Rock Mtn Snyper (very similiar) and all you other guys who I respect. I'm gonna be shooting with these in the summer. I too have been a fixed blade guy loving the Muzzy's especially the MX 3's and 4's with no failures. But I just can't look past the increase in cutting diameter.

I have rubber bands from a niece who wears braces so I'll probably try that too. I'm anxious to give'em a go in practice and hopefully take them to the woods this fall !

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I was in the same boat two seasons ago....I was shooting Montecs and had good success, dare I say....great success with them. I started to read all of the reviews and pics of the Rage heads and decided to give them a shot (pun intended) this last season.Well I was more than please with the results.

Will I still use the Montecs? Yep, but you can bet I will have a quiver full of Rages come opening day!

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I personally had a bad experience with the rage 2 bladeand since switched to a fixed blade, the nap crossfire and also going to try muzzy mx 3 blades. I've also seen "unbelievable damage" done by the rage as well.

A friend gut shot a deer last season and while tracking we caught her bedded down in some thick, over grown christmas trees. I placed the finishing shot, aHARD quartering away and the slice/devistation was unbelievable! I have NEVER seen anything like it (you had to see the butchers face when he saw the deer!)

On the other hand, I shot one where both blades broke off and the exit hole was the size of the arrow shaft. The deer only ran 60 yards but left no bloold trail. The shot was good and it didn't hit any major bone which would have broken the blades like they did. Was it a defect in that specific broadhead,not in the overall design, absolutely could have been. Butfrom that one bad experienceI NOW personallydo not have confidence in the strength of them. Its like that when you have one bad experience with any product.

Good luck with whatever broadhead you choose!

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huntingson, you may have missed this. Not real confident in the Dropzone either. It's worked flawless so far, but I am looking at others with less movable parts. I know we can not get rid of all the "what ifs", but I try to narrow them down a lot.

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Dang, might as well get a grenade launcher. [:-]

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Oh, wait, I have a better idea. I'll take a 6 inch butcher knife, attach it to a Easton ACC horizontally and chunk that at 'em. Let's see, 3" on each side, and no room for error, makes for a better archer. (No gut shots here):D

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I don't shoot rage or any other mechanical but I have had a bad experience with the beloved Slick Trick.. I was tuning my heads in a 3-D target. On back to back shots, I hit low in the shoulder/leg, where the aluminum tube runs up a 3-D deers leg. In both cases, the broadhead completely broke in two just above the insert.. So, in 2 shots, I had two complete failures... I gave the remaining head and blades away to a former members of this site, Silentassasin.

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I will say that the pics of the Rageare pretty impressive, and I see why people use them. I have not, and do not plan on it, simply because my Muzzy Heads have been crushing bones for over 12 yrs. I used Thunder Heads and Wasps when I first started Bowhunting 18 yrs ago. I have killed deer with all 3 of these heads. 2 times this year alone, I made two shots a little far forward, right in the middle of the shoulder blade with a 90 gr 4 blade muzzy on an arrow that was far too light 309 gr, another story there,anyway, both times it went clean through both blades and out the other side, needles to say, the deer only went 60-70 yds both times. It was pretty impressive, I just like fixed blade personally, I don't care what someone else shoots, for me it is Muzzy. I will say that two rumors have made me steer away from the Rage, lack of penetration and blade weaknes/ and or fail. To me, I can't bring myself to "try" them, I won't "try" them on an animal and see what happens, I know what will happen when my Muzzy hits, seen too many times ;)

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You sure can tell it's the off-season. [8D]

There are many different opinions on this site and it can be a great place to get information on products if you can sift through all of the pissing matches.

I choose not to use any mechanical because of the moving parts. I also will not use a fall away because fo the moving parts. The more things I can keep simple on my set-up the better I feel.

The damage in the pics is impressive, but dead is dead right? It looks messy to me:eek:

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Good post Vab! Pictures are worth a million words at times but ones experience is better then any picture will ever produce!! I shoot my recurve for the big challenge it presents but also because I like to keep my equipment simple. I keep it simple for the same reason people choose not to shoot a mechanical head. I don't see what the big deal is for one not wanting to shoot a mechanical head, some guys just want to keep it simple by not shooting mechanical heads!! Nothing wrong with that one bit.

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Now that the dust has settled.... can I say I'm not a mechanical fan either. I have nothing to base it on except 37 years of bow hunting and a lot of experimentation. I guess in all those yearsI've killed a buch of deer with probably 10 different broadheads. I've seen a lot of damage, good shots and a few bad. I don't need a glancing blow from a 2 inch mechanical to tell me sharp things can cut. I do want something with as few things to go wrong as can. I want something built like a truck. There are several that do that and in my opinion are all fixed. If it isn't broke I really wouldn't fix it.

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Me, too, VA....and that's THE reason I switched. When I center punched this buck in '06 and followed a VERY sparse trail to find him......I decided I wanted a BH with a bigger cutting diameter. I started thinking about the Rage heads, then.

How much better can you hit a deer than this? This was a complete pass-thru with a 3 blade muzzy. Blood trail was sparse to nearly non-existent. Something had to change. I made the switch.

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If it was a direct broadside hit, it's very close to being too far back.

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You bring that deer's front leg back to it's position it would be when he was standing.....and I am EXTREMELY proud of that shot. I also disagree with you.

The hit was VERY slightly quartering away.....but even if it had been perfectly broadside.....it wouldn't have changed my opinion of the shot.

I did the autopsy;)

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And if it was broadside that would explain the lack of blood, not lack of BH.

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Are you guys really gonna argue this wasn't an optimal hit on a deer?

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Compare this entrance hole to the Rage photos. Blown up shot of the above hit.

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No arguement: That was NOT an optimal hit on that deer. Period. Gospel.