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that will be the #1 head in my quiver this coming deer season ....

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Ditto....#1 #2 &#3

And #4-striker #5-striker OR a field tip....

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I have not tried to replace the blades on mine. But I have heard that is true, Blade replacement can be difficult with the set screws stripping out.

On the blade retension issue. I solved that by using a rubber band on mine. They open just fin this way and the blades stay put until impact. Some people get by just fine without rubberbands.

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well i use rages, but if i had great success with something else, like it seems what meanv2 has had, i would stick with what im using. but with these pictures from you GMMAT and buckmaster, im glad i use rages;)

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GMMAT you sound like you know what your talking about and must be one heck of a bowhunter. Im going to use the rages next year for sure. You convinced me that they work. Can you tell me where you found the broadheads with an eight inch cut. Or is that a two inch cut on a smaller deer.

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2 & 3 for me as well ....#4 & #5 for me will be Magnus Stingers ..... they fly just like my fieldpoints ...my favorite COC head

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Please tell me your joking....

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hm i didnt think of that, ill have to do that!

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yep, I was just kidding.

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Thanks for the information jmbuckhunter. I'm trying to find out anything about these heads before I make the decision to try them out this year. But I guess first hand experience will tell youalot about anything. I think one thing needs to be mentioned on the photo's which GMMAT is showing. When a cut is made in the hide, it will stretch open to a certain point. Just as when someone gets a cut on a body part, the wound opens up due to the elasticity of the skin. I've seen some of these pictures GMMAT has shown here on other threads and they are quite impressive.

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Buckmaster your pictures tell all too! A picture is worth a thousand words. Thanks.

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Not my pics, jsut pics from previous conversations about the rage heads;). They do tell the tell though.

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I was thinking about using the rage broadheads but i am worried about shooting them thru mesh screens.

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Im switch'n too rage!

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Mechanicals is not the choice for mesh, fixed blades only, but you can try whatever you want.

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Same here.

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This debate will "RAGE" on forever.

I dont use rage or any other expandable. The pictures look great and tough to argue with, but this it what it boils down to for me, and I suspect a few others. I get a number of shots at does each year, but I probably only get one chance at that 135-140"+ deer that I am looking for each year.....one chance. I can choose to shoot my Magnus Stingers whom you will be very hard pressed to find any negative info about (penetration, sharpness, blades opening, bone impact, etc) or I could choose to shoot the Rage of which there is a ton of great info and testimonials but also a few question marks (blades opening, penetration, bone impact, etc). Because I get one chance per year, I'm choosing the head with no question marks behind it, rather than watching my buck run away because of a mechanical failure.

If I got more than one chance every year at a trophy buck, you bet I would try the Rage in a second.

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My guess about 100% of BH "failures" are due to poor shots.

You see MN.....I shoot the Rage for the exact reason you shoot your fixed head. If I get one chance.....I want that one chance to be with a head that inflicts the MAXIMUM damage.

I know which head that is.

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I do agree with Jeff, MeanV always seems to bust on rage heads when ever anyone asks about them, why, I don't know! This pic is from a deer I killed late season.... with a rage head 2 blade! I was shooting Slick Tricks since they came out! Lets just say I have had my problems with them and leave it at that! I now shoot the rage 2 blade with the Compound!


I pulled this head out of the tree after it broke ribs going in and out, I cleaned it up, sharpened it and went back in the quiver! This is the 1st head that I could actually do this with! Not change any blades or nothing except clean and sharpen!:)

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This pic was taken moments after I walked up to the deer that went about 30 yards with a blood trail 3 feet wide!

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And which head is that? I mean, come on Jeff, the rage is not the only head that can inflict "maximum damage". I am just saying death by a vital killing shot is just that. How can you improve on that? Unless you just like the sight of vitals hanging out of your kills from a huge hole. LOLI shot Slick Tricks this past season. 3 does, 3 shots, 3 kills. Max 50 yds blood trails. (A blind man could follow) Oh and by the way they are easily resharpened and reusable at $23.00 a pack compared to the Rage at $34.00 or more per pack. I'll stick with what I know will work at a fraction of the cost.

LT

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We can't shoot mechanical heads in Washington state.. that goes for Montana too.. Many states with larger game don't allow mechanicals. I think they may need to make a Rage exception.

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Oh I don't know, LT.......maybe I say "Maximum" because I haven't found one that cuts a bigger swath through a deer, yet. How big is your head's cutting surface? The RAGE is a full 2 inches.

And, to me.....when picking BH's.....cost isn't a factor. I wasn't aware that was a part of equation.

When they make something better than this head.....I'll switch.;) I don't care what anyone else shoots. I don't come into slick trick threads and tell you to shoot the rage. No sense in it. I'll just post up real-life photos and actual testimonials when someone asks about THIS head.

And....it would be nice if the detractors had actually USED this head before denouncing it. And.....if they'd tell us why they switched.......other than...."I hit bone".....which usually means it had NOTHING to do with thearrow and everything to do with the indian.

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I was a wasp user my whole hunting career until this past fall and now use Rage and i hav to say
this baby cuts and like Jeff stated 2 inches and for me its all about that.

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I think Bowhunting for 40 years, killing xxx number of animals using 30 to 40 different brands and models of Broadheads, at least twelve of which were mechanical should give me a right to have an opinion. Whether you agree or not, that's your decision. I have made some awesome looking kills with mechanicals no doubt 95% to 98% they work great, but I will not settle for any kind of malfuntion on the business end of my arrow. User error?? I think I know when a Bad shot is made and I don't need to blame it on equipment. Mechanicals will fail, name one thing that has moving parts that has never malfuntioned?

For what advantage? I see No advantage to them at all. My heads fly like a field point, cut a massive 10 guage hole, and are tough as steel. O they are Steel!! I just refuse to take a chance on dealing with a malfunction for no reason if you do, then more power to you.
I won't argue any more about that fact on this thread.

I kept telling a friend about how mechanicals will malfunction. Well last year he hit a Buck witha perfect shot and only 1 out of 3 blades opened. I found him through a lot of hard tracking for almost a quarter of a mile.
Guess what he is not shooting anymore?;)

Dan

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Hey you have not changed your bowtech monikor like the other guys.

Your buddy probably had thepack that was being recalled.;):D
Also tell him to try the 2 blade much better. Less parts moving also.[8D]

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A "bigger swath" is not necessary if the shot is not marginal.[:-]

Big enough to inflict "Maximum damage", oh I would say a 1.5" hole thru the heart or lungs. (After cutting through ribs) I guess this would be big enough.

Well, to me, it is. Especially when my broadheads are no less inferior than the Rage is.:D

I can not find where I told anyone to do this. I was just stating my opinion, along with some facts.

Have you ever used a Slick Trick?

So, you are saying we can shoot a deer and not hit bone? Not quite sure that is possible with a 2" cutting swath unless of course its a gut shot.:eek:

Not wanting an argument Jeff, just stating what I know.

LT

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I dislike little parts. The thought of foolig around with that litle band much less while hunting is almost enough for me to give the whole thing up just to avoid the frustration. Rubber bands and sharp blades, too much for me.

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Have you personally shot the rage 2 blade heads??? Doesn't your Bowtech have moving parts on it, so your saying that will fail??:D:D

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Try reading a few of my posts and you might get your questions answered without me having to repost. I think the moving parts on a compound give me a decided advantage, Speed, KE, less holding weight, increased range, etc., etc.

Now what advantage would moving blades give me over fixed?
Fly better? Not!
Deer more dead? Not!! I haven't even had to track one in 5 years.
Tougher? Deinitely Not!!

I think some of you guys would buy an explosive broadhead if they marketed it![8D]

I am as high tech as any Hunter, but I am NOT taking a chance on mechanicals. I've used a bunch of them and what's the difference between these and Synpers? Marketing??Some of you will never have a problem. Some already have. It won't change my mind because there is No advantage to be gained by taking that chance. I'll shoot you straight up in all the normal Broadhead tests anyday, and we'll see who comes out on top. If you like mechanicals, Fine!! It is America you can use what you want. I use what I want, asdo most guys. Maybe annika3 will come along and help you guys out. It's his job!! Now who was that talking about bought and paid for?[8D]
I'm just a dealer and deal in dozens of heads, but I am entitled to my choice as well as MHO. I'm surprised I was able to kill a deer last year.

I shot a 10.5 year old 6X6 Bull Elk that had an estimated weight of 900 to 1000# with a 3 blade Rocky Titanium head that had a 1 1/8" cut. He ran 60 yards and piled up. Amazing I'm surprised I killed him with such a small head.

Dan

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Iv'e been bowhunting for 26 years, not 40, but certainly enough experience. I shot fixed heads for the first 18-19 years. I never understood using an over the top expandable. Switched to the Snyper when they came out and then switched to the Rage a couple years ago.

Why?
First,because they do fly more consisitent considering: Bow and how well it is tuned, your release or torgue on the bow when you shoot, distance on shot, wind when shooting.TheRage will shoot more consistent, without question, than a fixed head.

Second, the damage they inflict. The Rage consistently causes more damage, gigger entrance and exit holes,creates better blood trails and puts game down quicker than any broadhead I have used or seen.

Dan,

You keep saying mechanicals are prone to fail at some point. First of all mechanicals should be put into 2 categories: Rear-opening and over the top.Second, fixed heads can fail too.

With that said the Rage 2 blade is 100%guaranteed to open. It is impossible for it not to open based off the design of the head. You will always getthe huge entrance holes with the Rage.

Please don't give me that they may open in flight. The Rage will NOT open in flight if the blades are closed. If you are going to use this, I can say the same thing about fixed heads. If they are not assembled correctly and the collar isn't locking blades down or the blades are not set correctly you can get bad arrow flight or lose blades on impact.

I respect your 40 years of bowhunting but I do not respectyour bias against the Rage. As they say "the proof is in the pudding" and I thinkall the stories and pictures of the Rage inflicting the devastation on animals never seen before would convince even you that the Rage is a great head.

Continuing to put down the Rage only causes you to lose your credibility. And as a dealer it's one of the most important things you have.

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Just hold on there Annika! Not all fixed blades are assembled with parts. Mine are as solid as it gets, everything is welded.

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I expect you to stick up for them you work for THE company. I have nothing in General against Rage other than they do fit into the mechanical category. Are you telling me there has been no failures? No recalls? No problems since? I have always appreciated a dealer/etc. that was experienced giving me his opinion and then I could choose for myself. I didn't always listen, but then a lot of times I wish I had.

Everyone continues to fail to tell me what BIG advantage I would have using mecahanicals??

Fooling with rubber bands?
Fooling with tiny screws?
Dealing with flimsy blade?
I am sure no mechanical has ever failed!!:eek:

Come on annika sell me! That's your job:DTell me what will I get from from using the latest fad out there?

Maybe someone needs to start the thread about Broadhead sharpness again! Then we can argue if we shoot fast enough our broadheads don't need to be sharp:eek:I have to admit some of things argued on the forums has gotta make you laugh. I guess I need to start shooting by the force instead of picking a spot too. Carry on I just hit the ITI button. I ought to know better than turn it off.

If I can lose my credibility by not liking mechanicals, well I didn't have much to begin with.

Dan

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So I take it you never shot the rage 2 blade heads????;):eek:


C'Mon Dan that heads for you. You said your liked your gadgets???? ;):D Remember that Compound your shooting has moving parts and like you said it will fail so be careful!:D:D:D:D

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After using Muzzy's and Spitfires, with generally good results, I tried the Rage 2 blade this fall. Was pretty impressed. Don't have any gory pictures to show, but one mulie buck was hit, hard quartering away angle - and the arrow actually exited. He went about 50 yards. The other mulie buck was hit broadside and, although the arrow did stop in the off shoulder, he was also only able to make about 50 yards. One of my buddies gut shot a whitetail buck in November, and it only made it about 50 yards before bleeding out. The amount of blood these animals lost in that 50 yards was impressive.

I recently got some Slick Trick magnums and they seem to shoot very well on paper. Some of the sharpest heads out of the package I have ever seen. I may get a chance to try them on elk this fall. Although I'm sure the Rage would work on elk as well. Or the G5 Montec -carefully sharpened of course :).

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I'm a firm believer in ST's as well but they are NOT with out their problems! I threw the other 2 heads away that were worse than this! This head is garbage now, notice the blade all chewed up! This was a perfect broadside shot breaking one rib going in! Pretty tore up!


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My apologies. I'm speaking of the fixed heads that need to be assembled.

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I know, just had to give you a hard time!!;)

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I've shot Tricks since 03 and shot them into Steel Drums, Concrete blocks and never saw one sustain damage like that. If I am supposed to believe a rib did that, well I'm not buying. Thousands of Trick users won't either. I'll shoot Conrete Blocks and Steel drums side by side all day and you can post all the pics you want to. Steel is tougher than Aluminum[8D]

Carry on!;)

Dan

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Thats pretty good, so your calling me a liar???? [:'(][:'(][:'(][:'(]

Kind of ironic when someone talks about the gear YOU use and you call them a liar but in the same breath you talk **** about my gear and its OK to do so! Your a piece of work! If you read my entire post, I'm a firm believer in ST and still carry them in my quiver and will continue to do so when I have the Compound afield!

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O, I'm sorry, the 100,000's of bowhunters that are using them must all be wrong and you must be right.

Didn't ST's have a problem with their heads the first year or 2 that they were out? Yes I remember they did. Did Rage have a recall on the 3-blade? Yes, and they fixed the problem immediately and replaced all recalled heads.

Fad? Come on! This is what I mean by credibility. Why would I trust you on a recommendation on a product when 100,000's of bowhunters use the Rage, with great success, and you continue to put it down. It makes your opinionhighly skeptical.