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Because you say it....I guess that makes it so, Greg.....lol.:D

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GMATT, if you feel confident then you should shoot rage with no reason to defend yourself. I don't think anyone said that you personally shouldn't shoot them. If you kill deer with them, and you do, then that should be good enough for you. I don't hold anything against that broadhead, it seems to work well for many,but I won't shoot them simply because I have my doubts about anything other than Muzzy, that is what I have had most of my success with, same as you and the Rage. I feel that same way about Muzzy as you do about Rage. I think everyone got a little hot under the collar here, and I think it goes way farther than what broadhead one shoots. I hope this post and a lot others don't create or inflame any bad feelings for anyone. Im kinda of like Switzerland here....;);)

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Optimal hit.

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What's your goal when you shoot at a deer, Greg? Double-lung?

If so.....don't critique this one;)

When his leg is back in it's regular position (when he was standing).....that green dot you put in there is ON HIS SHOULDER.



This is abosolutely ludicrous.:D

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When asked, I'll critique.


I've shot quite a few deer, GMMAT, many where the green dot is. It's fun to watch them fall from your stand! ;)

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You've also left them lay overnight after a shot of yours.

Critique all you like. I'll weigh your response, accordingly;)

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GAMMAT, If you are going to shoot deer in that locatation and think that it is a good spot, then you are shooting the best BH for you!

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It was a 33yd shot from 23' up.....to a slightly quartering away deer.

In my eyes....it doesn't get any better than that. You guys forget....I did the autopsy. You're looking at the entrance hole.

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Here's the shoulder.

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Them? You know of one. Now it's them?? Wow!

I could care less what you do with my response. Don't get so pissy, experience takes a few years, you'll get there! ;)

That wasn't you crying about not finding a deer until the thing spoiled earlier this year was it?

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Well youdid bringhome the meat but I am not sure if I would use this for a BH debate nor an idel shot argument.

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That was funny.:D


I'll bet you struck a nerve with that "shot" placement Greg:D

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Ahh... the personal attacks. Stooped to a lot around here, lately.

Not very attractive;)

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Helloooooooo........

Did this have anything to do with the thread? No, it's just your feeble attempt to try and discredit me a bit.

Besides, mine weren't personal attacks, only the truth. You know, gospel!

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Did you criticize my shot placement......after leaving a deer overnight this past year because of yours?

If that ain't the truth....I don't know what is. Gospel...as you say.

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You asked for criticism;)

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You don't mean like these..... Do you?

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He's got to be mentally unstable.

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Go see where that started, PA. Just keep it "objective";)

LOL....and it keeps on.....lol

So....if I'd hit where that green dot is....would I have hit his heart? What would I have hit if I hit where I did?;)

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I'm gonna ask ya'll a question. Why, in the HELL, do these ALWAYS have to turn into the proverbial "I'm right, and you're wrong, and oh yeah, your momma is ugly, your daddy is fat, and the only reason you post what you do is because you either HAVE to, or have some motive?"

This is absolutely NO different than the heavy/slow light/fast debate. Does scentlok work or not? My bow is better, yours is inferior, my wife is prettier and my right hand is bigger. Every damn time someone disagrees in here it gets personal, and don't tell me this bickering in this thread isn't personal. It's gone beyond stating opinions and giving evidence. It's personal.

Good lord......You stole my G.I. Joe and I'm pissed, I'm tellin Mom, Dad is gonna whip you when he gets home! I saw where this was going and haven't read it in several days. A PM I received today prompted me to pop in, and boy am I ever sorry.

Here's the deal, and everyone here can take it, leave it, or tell me to shove it, I don't really care.

I've personally killed deer w/ Muzzy, Magnus, Punchcutter, Rocket Hammerhead, Rage and Slick Trick. Know what? Dead deer in the freezer, period. They all work, and just because "bob" doesn't use the same head that "tom" uses...................WHO CARES!!!!! Funny thing with these kind of debates is, they can go on forever because they are based on OPINION. That means, campers, that no one is right, and no one is wrong. That's awefully hard for some folks to grasp, I understand that, but facts is facts.

Now I have to ask myself why in the hell did I just post this. I don't really know.......But man, are there ever times I wish I had some mod powers. This crap gets ridiculous.

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Are you on estrogen by any chance?[8D]

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Well after reading all the replies, I'm not a better person I can tell you that.

I'm not going to address half of what needs adressed in the thread so in saying that, I'm going to assess the Rage broadhead which is the title of the thread which has nothing to do with my broadhead is better than yours, my shot placement is better than yours, my dad is bigger than you dad.

I wouldn't hesitate to shoot the Rage broadhead. So why don't I?

After being anti mechanical for more years than I can remember and being in "debates" on this very website more times than I can remember I can say that there are some piss poor mechanicals and I can say that there are some piss poor fixed blade heads.

5Shot, whom I have alot of respect for does broadhead testing. On his recommendation and his recommendation alone I tried Rocky Mountain Snypers 2 blade (mechanical) (Rage's prototype). So I bought a pack of Snypers because he ranked them up as tough as Muzzy and since I was (am) a diehard Muzzy fan, okay I'll give them a go.

Since that time (2000) I think, I've shot 6 bucks with the Snypers and 1 doe. OMG the holes are unbelievable and I've had ZERO failures. Snypers open on paper. The Snyper and Rage are not conventional mechanicals and in my opinion shouldn't be lumped into the folding back (jackknife) mechanicals. The rear opening heads (Rage and Snypers) are in a league of their own and I don't see it fair to lump them into "all mechanicals".

There are mechanicals, fixed, cut to tip and (Rage/Snypers) as far as I'm concerned. 5Shot was right and I was sold on Snypers. The Snypers have a 1.5" cutting diameter but the entrance holes I've had are usually 3" to 4" holes and the exit are usually 2" to 3". I've never in my life (26 years bowhunting) have ever had the entrance holes that the Snypers have given me. Now in my 26 years bowhunting I've only used Thunderheads and Muzzys. Snypers (smaller than Rage) have shown me bigger holes than those two.

If Snypers are no longer made, I'll go to the Rage but rest assured, there is always a fixed blade head in my quiver as well, why, cause I can group the two together and I keep the fixed blade heads for critters I might get a shot at and don't want to use a more expensive Snyper.

So, why not curb your attitudes at the door guys.

This thread is about the author's interest in Rage heads. Let's keep it on topic or the thread will go bye byes as twildasin suggested.

(And thanks GR8). ;)

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Ok, I've heard statements such as these before. How can that be possible? I mean.....If the blades, fully deployed, are 2" wide.....How can it cut a 4" wide slice??

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Don imagine a deer quartering. When the blade deploys.....it's at an angle.

6" entrance hole is what I've seen.

What bothers me so much is the detractors of this head have probably never used it.

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NAH!! That's OK, I've read enough nonsense for one day.

I'm done with this ridiculous thread...

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So you're saying the blades "slide" along the hide before entering?

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Hide and muxcle streches on the exit causing a slightly larger exit hole.

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AHHHHHHHH...now THAT makes perfect sense. Thanks Greg, I've always wondered how that worked.

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You both have it all wrong. The EXIT holes with the rage heads are pretty normal size holes (2-3"). The ENTRANCE holes are unbelievable. Nothing strecthing on a quartering entrance hole.

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Which brings me back to this, then. OR, the hide simply explodes when that awesome fantastic BH hits it...:D

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mo, the blades open wider than 2" and then fold back into their 2" locked position. When the blades are opening, they are much bigger than 2", probably 3" and then fold back as well as what Greg said.

Can't explain it, just the facts on all the ones I've taken, 3" 4" holes on a 1.5" 2 blade broadheads. And for the record, the shot was lower and more forward than I would have liked but a dead deer in 50 yards. [8D] :D

This was from a 1.5" Snyper.

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Ok, so somebody w/ a 2 blade Rage, open those blades so they are sticking straight out, and measure the length......I only have a 3 blade, or I would.

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Look at it this way Don....(and calm down.....it makes PERFECT sense).......

Go get an arrow (BH tipped)and shoot it through a sheet of paper shooting straight-on(Paper tuning). Now.....shoot it at a 45deg angle. Which hole is bigger?

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Um, I am calm. Honestly. I'm really trying to grasp this because I really don't get it. So then, if the above is true, and I'm sure it is....Wouldn't the same hold true for a fixed blade head? If it's got a 1" cutting diameter, couldn't it be a 2" entrance hole?

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I don't think they're (Rage) bigger than 2" at any time.

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I know my Snypers when they deploy and are straight are wider than 1.5" so Rage has to be. Don't know, never used Rage but I know my Snypers.

Okay, for mobow, I took pictures of my 1.5" Snypers.

As they open they snap out to nearly 2.5" and then fold back to 1.5".






Rage, working this exact same way must open to nearly 3" before locking back into their 2" position. ;)

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Ok, completely objective question here, I have no reason to care what anyone shoots, simply put, I like Muzzy, I think Muzzy are the best BH ever made... for me that is... the question...

isn't the wide blade 2" or better a little more difficult to achieve penetration unless you have very good KE?? I seriously have no clue here, I read this, and heard it from a pro shop, so, what is the deal with the wider cutting dia? I was even told that the Muzzy MX head was to wide...

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Well I'll be damned. That's what I was looking for, thanks Rob. I tell ya, I learn something new here every damn day!! Who needs school when there's HNI??? [&:]:D:D

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Most of todays bows have no issue reaching these KE's and the Snyper/Rage I believe take less KE than the jackknife type mechanicals that open through impact, Snypers/Rage open immediately.