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Sure.

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Rob, so the Rage open as soon as it hits the hide??

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The blades are fully deployed before then enter the hide.

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how??

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Yes, as mobow said, the Rage and Snypers are fully deployed before entering the hide, thus they can usually leave a bigger entrance hole than exit, but both are usually bigger than any fixed blade heads I've shot.

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Well, if you look at one closed, you see the where the blades are in the front, by the tip? That straight line across...Wish I had a pic, but I don't....anyway.....when those hit hide, the blades push back, toward the fletching and away from the deer, and slide out to open. When they get to the deer, they're fully deployed.

This is the reason I don't think Rage burn up as much KE when they enter a deer. In that respect, they are very similar to a fixed blade head.

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When the first blade "tip" enters....the next thing is the .....(how do I say this?).....blade deployment mechanism. As soon as this touches ANYTHING.....it deploys the blades. So....when the Rage heads (as well as the Snypers) deploy before they enter the hide. I've never had one NOT deploy before entry. Actually....never heard of one not deploying.

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Here's a question for you Rage owners. One concept I hear, is that on a quatering away shot, the mechanicals may not enter if one of the blades contacts the hide b4 the others; causing the arrow to flip. True or not true. I've considered switching this yr. I have used Muzzys, but I'm going out west this yr, & I want to start practicing @ longer distances 50+yds w/a broadhead. I hear that the Muzzys don't fly so well @ long ranges. What do you all think?

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W/ a jacknife style broadhead, over the top, yes...that's possible. I just don't think it is w/ a Rage. With them being fully deployed before they enter the hide......A jacknife style is still opening once it enters the body cavity.

The Rage blades slide rearward, AWAY from the deer, leaving just the ferrule and point to do the cutting. There's nothing to deflect.

Let's take a 3 blade jacknife style. If the blade on the left side makes contact, it immediately begins to open and start cutting. That side of the blade slows down, allowing the opposite side to slam around, tip over. Picture a vehicle w/ tracks....Slow one track down, what's it do? Turns that direction.

Can't happen w/a Rage.

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Heres a video of the 2 blade rage opening on impact. (Its the one on the left) http://www.ragebroadheads.com/rageVideo.html

Heres my question. Why would someone want to use the 3 blade when they can buy a 2 blade that has a bigger cutting diameter? Mobow, what made you decide?

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The 2 blade may have a bigger cutting diameter, but the 3 blade has more cutting SURFACE. ;)

Ok, let's say, for easy math sake, a deer is 10" wide. A 2 blade head, 2" cutting diameter.......each blade is 1" long, for a cutting surface of 20".

Now take a 3 blade. Only 1 1/2" diameter, but each blade is then .75" long......75 x 3 = 2.25 2.25 x 10 = 22.5. And, you have the added advantage of another blade slicing through there, possibly hitting an artery you may have missed otherwise.

Man, my head hurts....:D Now, while all I just mentioned is true...You wanna know why I shot 3 blade and not 2? We were out of the 2 blades.....;):D

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OK I got a question?? When the blades do fully deploy,what stops the blades from closing back up if say they hit a rib?

I am sure they are more difficult to close back up then just simply pushing on the blade right??? I dont know, just wondering?

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For the blades to close, they would need to be pushed forward, toward the tip, and in. Shoot, I can hardly close them when I'm trying to. There's just no way they can possibly close up when zipping through a deer. Just can't. They're constantly being pushed rearward.

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I know the Snypers I used were set-up so the blades could "pivot" around to help avoid full contact on a rib shot.

As far as the thread goes, there are good and bad for both fixed and mechanicals. Yes, a G5 Montec will be less prone to malfunction, but the rate of mechanical malfuction is very slim. Some guys would just rather not risk it, others think the large cutting diameter of the mech. out weighs the slightly higher risk of malfunction. In the end, its personal friggin choice and the big key is putting the broadhead where it needs to be.

I suggest everybody take a day off and go walk in the woods, this place has been too damn touchy lately. I never know what I am getting when I log in.... am I logging in to HNI or "the other site"?:eek::eek::eek:

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That actually makes sense. So I guess you have to decide if you want a bigger entrance/exit or a bigger cut surface area once the arrows enters the body?

What if I was aiming at a turkeys head? Wouldn't I rather have the larger diameter blade just in case I was off a bit with my aim?

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Well duc, that would be a logical conclusion. BUT, for a mechanical to work..You gotta hit 'em w/ the ferrule part of the head anyway. If you're gonna head shoot turkeys, look at the guillotine or the new one from Magnus.

I am, however, a big fan of cutting as big a hole in dem birds as you can.

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Best post entire thread, RESPECT

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Too far back. And if his leg was back you wait one more step. Well really, you already missed the best step. LOL So it's what, your first or second year of bowhunting when this buck was killed and you alone have all the answers. You live in a target rich environment. You buggered up several deer last year, and you're already to tell Greg how to kill a deer? Come on. Give it a rest GMMAT. As someone on this site told me once, "You aren't as smart as you think you are". LOL This new found love broadhead of yours may indeed be fine. The whole in the one picture is obviously a glancing blow. It really doesn't count.Your shot on the buck is far enough back and low enough to almost be a bad shot by the time it got to the other side.

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Doh, I knew that.:D I had the gulliotine in my head when I asked that question. Silly me.
Thanks Mo

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David, OMG did you read the thread? (edit: See link...lol) He took the heart out with this shot, the key words here as we had to explain to Jim, THE DEER WAS QUARTERED AWAY. (big text for your eyes). ;)

Sorry, I meant you should have read this thread first, you a thread behind...LOL http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2707422

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I swear that deer is still dead, not even after picking the shot apart has it come back to life. It's Dead.

If you look at just the entrance it appears to be too far back, but I was not there, I have no idea how the deer was standing, and the deer is dead[&:]

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I know Germ, that's one hell of a dead deer. In fact, that's a heart shot dead deer. And not only is that a dead deer, it's a dead deer mounted on a wall it's so dead. [8D]

And ya'll play nice, I'm going to bed.

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Take a 3 blade Rage and fully open one or two of the blades and then try to open the others.....What happens? It jams. This is why I switched to the 2-blade. I never had one jam but i dont want to take the chance. And Ive killed several deer with both. Great broadheads.

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Damn, David......did you take your Mr Hyde pill?

The shot took out a lung and the heart. What would have been "better"? Look onyour left in my avatar. He went 40-50 yds.

I'll try and do better, though!;)

And.....If I hunt 2 or 40 more years.....I'd take that shot on every deer......every time (in the same situation). Hell.....I'm gonna aim there, anyway.

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Good shot...not so good of a shot? Of course attemted shot placement is decided by the angle and distance from the deer. I wasn't shooting at the deer to judge the angle and distance, so I won't say it was in the wrong spot. That being said if it went on thru the heart it must of been the right spot.

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slightly quartering away, its a great shot!! its on the walldead, nice buck by the way. Hell when they are severly quartering away, you aim even farther back!!

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yep bloodcreek, if they are really quatering away, then you should aim really far back.

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Of course I didn't read 23 pages of squabbles. I just saw the deer that was supposedly dead but shot twice and then another where he talked of hard to find
I'm sorry, but I just took this post for what he said... and it was nothing about heart shot yada yada yada. He said it was a sparse blood trail and he had a hard time following it. It doesn't say quartering or anything. And NO, I'm not reading 30 pages to have to get the ever changing story.

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Soon as I can I'm gone from this site for awhile.

Seriously guys if you can get out in the woods go. You might have to deal with this sometime and sit here thinking "geez I wish I could go for a walk."

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Hang in there Charlie!! Good luck with that.

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Charlie, I'm guessing they used a fixed blade? ;)


j/k man, hope you get to feeling better soon

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It was an ethical quartering away shot. With a rusty punchcutter.

Im doing alot better then I WAS A FEW WEEKS AGO !!!!!!!!!

My goal is to be in the woods May 1st to Turkey hunt with my son.

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Oz:


I am with you....occasionally I watch some video and TV archery hunts to see time and time again hunters shooting deer and the arrow not penetrating; whereas, the deer runs off while the hunter is jumping up and down like this is the first buck he/she ever shot and are totally happy with the result. Many times they are retrieving the deer way after dark or the next day, but telling the story of the deer only running 50 Yds +-.

I have taken 19 bucks all 8 points or better. The first eight were taken razor backs (The ones from the 80's 1468 gr.) and the remainder with 125 Thunderheads. I went to the 125 for less grs. All arrows penetrated full length through the buck and stuck in the ground except one which "Jumped the string” caused by my "Noisy" bow and I hit him in the spine and he fell in his tracks.


I won't settle for anything less than a broad head arrow combination that will consistently penetrate through the chest cavity leaving internal damage and two openings for blood trails.

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I also shoot Thunderheads (100 grain model) and have had nothing but great penetration and complete pass throughs except on one buck when I hit the opposite shoulder. This was probably my mistake of not aiming a bit further back on a quartering away shot.