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Old 02-28-2008, 05:05 PM
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LMAO, guys quit tryin to talk reason with him, it wont happen.

My momma says leasing is the devil. But she also said it was ok for HCH to usee outfitters multiple times, the very cause for his so called "problem".

Who are you to tell someone what they should be able to do with their private property? Thats like me saying Hertz shouldnt be allowed to lease out cars, just bring in a rick of wood and take one on the honors system!
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Old 02-28-2008, 05:07 PM
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I appreciate your kind offer Germ on the bear hunt. I wish to take you up on it in the near future.
You are more than welcomed, bring the wife.
Lake Huron is less than a 30 min drive away, we can even go fishing

And I do not execpt cash or any gifts, this is MI not NM[:-]
I am still waiting for Jim to come up in Sept and quail hunt

I have a River ride with Rob planned to sometime Hope.
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Old 02-28-2008, 05:28 PM
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In case someone missed this:
Where I am from it is not so much farm country as timber. The timber companies have everything they own leased pretty much. I for one think it SUCKS! I know the reason it is the way it is though and it will never change, it will only get worse. Can you say "GREED". The rich want to get richer. And this is not to say everyone should not desire a more comfortable living, but hey, how much do you "really" need to make a living. Let's face it we are living in a world full of greedy folks. Everyone "wants" more than what they have. The farmers want something for nothing, so they lease land that they own and already pay for through farming. The timber companies lease land that they own already and replant and make beaucoup profits from. It's all just "extra money" to these folks. I will some up my thoughts like this. If you own land and "need" more money to live, lease it. If you are just doing it to make yourself rich, then you will answer for your actions one day.

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This is THE root of (my guess) 80% of all leasing issues. Everyone knows this, but few have the nads to admit it.

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Old 02-28-2008, 05:45 PM
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I guess I'm really unclear on why anyone here really cares what HCH or anyone else thinks about leasing land? Just MHO, but I really don't feel that I need to explain myself to anyone on here just because they don't see things the same way I do.

I think I'm going to lease the 100 acres that butts up to my family 130 just out of spite of this thread. I may not even hunt on it, but at least no one else will either. [8D]


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Old 02-28-2008, 05:49 PM
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LT,

getting richer is in a waywhat capitalism is built on. Why is it ok for the middle class man want to make more money, but not for the guy who makes double what he does? I would understand your arguement if Bill Gates was out collecting lease money on 1000 acres, but these guys are no billionaire tycoons. Just another way to make money off of land, for whoever is lucky enough to own it.

I just don't see why someone can blame a landowner for leasing land, whoever that landowner is. Their land, their right, their way of making money. If you think these guys are getting rich off of leases, buy up some land and start leasing. Just another means of income.

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Old 02-28-2008, 05:57 PM
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I guess I'm really unclear on why anyone here really cares what HCH or anyone else thinks about leasing land? Just MHO, but I really don't feel that I need to explain myself to anyone on here just because they don't see things the same way I do.

I think I'm going to lease the 100 acres that butts up to my family 130 just out of spite of this thread. I may not even hunt on it, but at least no one else will either. [8D]

You know this was kind off my point You just did in one post what I tried to do on 20 I leased the farm across the street last year and never hunted it, sue me.
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Old 02-28-2008, 06:03 PM
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Does that load of wood or spray job have a value? Then you are paying, no different than if you giving them cash. I would be glad to help out any way I can, but the truth is, helping out around the farm does not compare to $10,000 cash. I love the fact that you can only see things one way. Must be nice to walk thru life with blinders on.
$10,0000 CASH. WTF. Who leases land for $10,000?????? My favorite place to hunt in IA is a 30 acre parcel. Theowner contacted me andasked me if I would like to hunt it. I appreciated the offer, brought a couple of loads of wood to his house to show my appreciation, and in like flint. He didn't require payment and I didn't have to cut wood. Friendship.

You are acting like the only way to pay the bills with land is lease it out.BS bigtime with that statement. It is just something that a landowner started doing cause greedy guys walked up in the past and offered to buy their way onto the land or one neighbor talked to another and told him how he just leased his land. Like I said, past generations didn't lease their hunting grounds out to hunters so don't tell me it is the only way a guy can make it today and a necessity for a landowner to do.
Thanks for proving my point about the blinders hardcore. You say WTF for a $10,000 lease. Let me tell you, that price and A LOT higher leases are plentiful in Illinois. The average rate in Pike, Adams, Greene, Calhoun and others is between $50 and $60 an acre for prime ground. You do the math. It does not take many acres to start adding up really quick. And the local hunter like myself is not the one paying those prices, it is the outfitters. Like I said in my earlier post, I payed $1500 for a piece of property that had less that 15 acres of timber. The next year an outfitter came in and price me out of the game. The bad thing it, they did not lease it to hunt, but leased it so I could not because it bordered some of their prime ground. Your 30 acre tract you talk about would cost you at least $2000 in Illinois if it was any good at all and $1500 if it was a piece of garbage. I have seen wooded creek lines go for $2000. I suggest you start looking around on the web at some of the leasing companies before you start WTFing people. Get a real idea, some facts and then come again.
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Old 02-28-2008, 06:17 PM
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Hardcore....didn't you and the Mrs. PAY to go on a bear hunt? In essence you just paid to lease that land albeit of only the duration of the hunt.

Sounds a little hypocritical.......

Well we had an opportunity that fell into our laps and and we had to take it. A buddy let me know that he has a bearhunt that is for two hunters in Canada that is a $2900 hunt, but we can take it for $1200 as he can't go. Cabin, food, everything except our booze; the SUPER DELUXE PACKAGE!!! Hoytgirl is going on her 1st bear hunt and this will be my 7th. I love bear hunting; quite a rush to see a bear walk in. We will be using archery equipment of course. I contacted the bearguide and checked out his website and it looks like a great place with references provided. We will be hunting Sept 2nd thru the 8th. WE ARE GOING

So it's OK for you to PAY for a bear hunt and thus ADDING to the ever growing problem of land leases YET you denounce leases....Huh


Go ahead and lease all you want, but I believe you are cutting your own throats in the long run. It is a no win, greed for ground situation, that can have no positive outcome on huntingIMO
One can easily say "go ahead and PAY an outfitter to hunt, that will only add to more land tracts being purchased for lease and outfitters, therefore cutting our own throats in the long run" right?

Let me guess.....Paying for a bear hunt doesn't count right.

If a farmer wants to lease HIS land then he has the right, if an outfitter wants to SELL hunts HE has the right. They BOTH go hand in hand and for some it works for others it doesn't, it doesn't make it wrong or evil...it's capitalism.



I did miss this post. Answer, CANADA REQUIRES AN OUTFITTER TO DO ANY TYPE OF HUNTING BY NONRESIDENTS.
So why pay, in MI you can bear hunt for free Hell HCH I would let you use our cabin and save you some cash. Instead you leased land and added to the problem, thx

Serious if you want to bear hunt, I have a place for you to stay. And 1 million acers to hunt on for free. Just cut a load wood for the fire place
That's your answer.....
CANADA REQUIRES AN OUTFITTER TO DO ANY TYPE OF HUNTING BY NONRESIDENTS
That's as hypocritical as you can get! It STILL adds to the problem! You know...the problem you're so adamant about?

As Germ said there are PLENTY of places to hunt bear.....without paying! Lots of public land.....I hear there's a lot in New Mexico.


Why didn't you just go knock on someones door and ask?? Maybe a cord or two of wood later and you'd be in like flint.
Try again. Hunting bears in Canada isn't adding to any problem. Get your facts. Local Canadians don't hunt bears, only US hunters. It helps the local Canadians with a service. I don't have anything bad to say about outfitters ,never have, and this thread isn't a n outfitter thread. I do plan on hunting in NM for bear. You seemto be infactuated with NM or me.You seem to watch my every post and it is a little creapy to tell you the truth. I am happily married and not interested. Thanks.
HCH, so helping Canadians out by providing jobs is okay with you? Don't you think that the leases in small town midwestern states help with their economy? Get a clue already. Head up to Pike County this gun season, you will not see an Illinois tag around, out-of-state hunters. They eat in the small towns, buy gas, as well as a bunch of other things. They can do this because ground was leased. Illinois has figured out that the State can make a killing on out-of-state hunters, offer farmers and land owners will new income possibilites, as well as help small struggling economies. I am not saying that I like the prices that are being charged, but it is pretty clear that this is not a bad thing. Furthermore, you are now admitting you do the same thing, just outside of the country. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-28-2008, 06:21 PM
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Does that load of wood or spray job have a value? Then you are paying, no different than if you giving them cash. I would be glad to help out any way I can, but the truth is, helping out around the farm does not compare to $10,000 cash. I love the fact that you can only see things one way. Must be nice to walk thru life with blinders on.
$10,0000 CASH. WTF. Who leases land for $10,000?????? My favorite place to hunt in IA is a 30 acre parcel. Theowner contacted me andasked me if I would like to hunt it. I appreciated the offer, brought a couple of loads of wood to his house to show my appreciation, and in like flint. He didn't require payment and I didn't have to cut wood. Friendship.

You are acting like the only way to pay the bills with land is lease it out.BS bigtime with that statement. It is just something that a landowner started doing cause greedy guys walked up in the past and offered to buy their way onto the land or one neighbor talked to another and told him how he just leased his land. Like I said, past generations didn't lease their hunting grounds out to hunters so don't tell me it is the only way a guy can make it today and a necessity for a landowner to do.
Thanks for proving my point about the blinders hardcore. You say WTF for a $10,000 lease. Let me tell you, that price and A LOT higher leases are plentiful in Illinois. The average rate in Pike, Adams, Greene, Calhoun and others is between $50 and $60 an acre for prime ground. You do the math. It does not take many acres to start adding up really quick. And the local hunter like myself is not the one paying those prices, it is the outfitters. Like I said in my earlier post, I payed $1500 for a piece of property that had less that 15 acres of timber. The next year an outfitter came in and price me out of the game. The bad thing it, they did not lease it to hunt, but leased it so I could not because it bordered some of their prime ground. Your 30 acre tract you talk about would cost you at least $2000 in Illinois if it was any good at all and $1500 if it was a piece of garbage. I have seen wooded creek lines go for $2000. I suggest you start looking around on the web at some of the leasing companies before you start WTFing people. Get a real idea, some facts and then come again.
Can't advocate this, but hypothetically what if this approach was taken; Don't pay it. Let the outfitters lease it; trespass on it all of the time, pay the lousy $50 trespass fine,(if you get caught, sheriffs don't have all day to runaround chasing trespass hunting ground lease calls) and pretty soon the outfitter is sick of the deer ran off, he refuses to lease anymore as his clients aren't seeing any deer, and the land goes back to a knock on the door. PROBLEM SOLVED. I know guys in Southern IA that have already ran several outfitters out with this.
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