the point..there was none..just found it interesting and was wondering if you had read it! (the story about John Rook). Who knows why he is shooting curves but I would bet he does like it better otherwise why in the world would he shoot a no let off bow when the guy behind him has to sight in? I would opt for the higher % wheels if I was in his situation! Heck even my old forked lightning jennings at 50% let off is better then NONE when you cant see and have to hold while someone else does the sighting in. I didnt see Pats deal with Hill..I will have to try and dig it up so I can reference what you say about the living legend no bowhunter or archer has ever matched or beaten, (or ever will for that matter).

hey Pa, no worries....I am not mad at either you or N.Jeff....

here is the question I asked in two different posts

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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I guess I dont embrace it, I take it with a grain of salt. I do however feel our own technology will become our own demise as bowhunters....back to drawing the line between it still being hunting and it being shooting. Let me iterate something, I understand from many failures there is no such thing as a crap shoot!!! I guess its a little hard to explain and have it come off the right way so take it for what its worth....
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these came from 2 different posts. Its bascially the same question you asked in a nut shell albeit completely different. Yes you have to draw the bow (for now, who knows what will happen in 10 15 or 20 years from now) but where do you put an end to more gadgets to make it easier instead teaching more dedication and ethics? (seperate question). I like seeing the new gizmos and gadgets...some of them are great advancements 80% let off..who would have thought of that 10 15 or 20 years ago? Carbon arras? snazzy heads be it mech or fixed...the list can go on and on....

Also something I do seem to recall that was pointed out farther back on this thread, that our 'proficency' with our weapons as a group is less then it was not long ago...why? Is it due to these 'advancements' and lack of woodsmenship? Heck bloodtrailing is an art all unto itself and I know of very very few people who are true masters at it. I do believe Arthur P. posted the proficency deal.

Nothing against you or your thoughts there Bambi but why just on the bow with the electronics? How about nite hunting..heck there is no such thing up here as nite come july (caribou opener) until around mid august (sheep opener). Heck for that matter preditor hunting at nite with our bows..why not opt for all the advantages??? Not making a stab just a question asked.

lilhunter,

I don't have a perfect answer for you.

But, in one of my earlier posts I mentioned a situation that occurred this post bow season.

Laser rangefinder....a doe in the spot that I ranged with that laser rangefinder.....I practice on weekly basis..year round....

..and I still missed.

In my opinion, it stops becoming hunting and starts becoming shooting when the archer can't miss.....when there is no chance of human error.

Hope that is what you are looking for.

I don't think it will ever just become shooting.Not as long as there is a human elelment involved.

This question knda bothers me <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>but where do you put an end to more gadgets to make it easier instead teaching more dedication and ethics? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I don't know where you end it(the gadgets).I guess that is up to the hunting public.

I don't think that the gadgets have one thing to do with dedication or ethics however.Not one bit.

Are you implying that the weapon a person carries makes them more dedicated and ethical?

Shooting a self bow/recurve has nothing to do with a person's dedication/ethics or woodmanship.Don't kid your self.I'm sure there are guys on this board that shoot compounds that practice more then 90% of trad shooters.

That type of attitude is just what I was talking about in an earlier post.

Stealthycat
to answer your questions I'm pretty much against anything that is electronic vs mechanical on the bow. I'm against devices that make night hunting possible and I'm against crossbows or the gadgets that hold a bow at full draw.

Why is it that almost every hunting board I visit has a seperate forum for trads.?If there isn't one people are asking for one.If a large % of trads. don't feel there better then the rest of us,why have your own board?

I'm sorry if this is off topic, but I just was wondering.

I hope the pure traditionalist don't see this but I have to agree with some of you about the accuracy thing. I believe you should be as accurate as possible with your equipment and if you can't shoot your traditional bow as accurate as the average compound guy with sights then quit calling yourself traditional and get a bow you can hit something with. Trust me when I say that the average compound shooter has nothing over the &quot;new&quot; traditionalist when it comes to gadgets and technology. They just call them by different names and charge more.

Okay, traditional bow hunters have there own section because they have a different style of hunting. They deserve there own. I as a compound bow shooter can understand that. I do agree that we should use technology to our advantage, IF WE WANT TO. But we shouldn't have night sights so you can bow hunt in pitch black, and other things like that.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

Lilhunter, I was wrong the article I was referring to was about Glen St.Charles.Sorry.

Charlie P &quot; I don't think that the gadgets have one thing to do with dedication or ethics however.Not one bit.&quot;

Do you or have you shot both compound and recurve ? If so, you probably have the smae thing that I have - the ability to pick up just about any compound and be proficient with it. Longbows and recurves - now thats something I have to practice all the time. Its like, well shooting B-ball, throwing a football etc - theres a coordination thats physical/mental - shooting a compound to me is not like that really. Sure the form still has to be there, but its more mechanical. Different topic there I guess.

Anyway, my point is that the easier something becomes, the less dedication you have to practice it. Am I not right ?

BTbowhunter - &quot; I'm against devices that make night hunting possible and I'm against crossbows or the gadgets that hold a bow at full draw.&quot;

But explain WHY you feel that way.

Charlie P - Why the seperate board ? HMMM&lt; why a different deerhunting from bowhunting forum ? Or a different blackpowder ? Its all about killing game, right ? But yet, traditional people talk about different things. Would you really reply to a topic on the brace height of a Chek-Mate crusader or how best to crown a wood shaft if you shot compounds only ?

&quot; I believe you should be as accurate as possible with your equipment and if you can't shoot your traditional bow as accurate as the average compound guy with sights then quit calling yourself traditional and get a bow you can hit something with.

Amen - thats exactly right on

&quot; But we shouldn't have night sights so you can bow hunt in pitch black, and other things like that.&quot;

Why not if it make you a better shot at daylight and dusk ??

Stealthy,I'm talking about dedication to bowhunting deer,not shooting two different things in my book.

Are you saying that all trad hunters are more dedicated shooters then guys that shoot compounds?

Will you ever answer the other questions I asked you? I can repost the questions if you like.If you don't want to answer my questions please don't ask me anymore.

About the differnt forums.I might not reply to the question ,but I would proably read it.Maybe that would peek my interest and make me want to try hunting with one.I do read the trad forum believe it or not.

I also read elk and African forums because I find it very interesting.If my back wasn't so screwed up I would love to give Elk hunting a try.




Edited by - Charlie P on 01/21/2002 18:55:47