If ever there was a case for revamping America's public education system, this clearly high lights its failures.

Big J thanks for trying,many here fail to see this from anything but another hunters eyes. We as hunters are a very small part of America,and our failure to see this through non or anti hunters eyes will be the downfall of our sport.

Thanks again for your more than enlighting posts you are a wise man, Jim


And always remember " blindest are those whorefuse to see."

Uhh, no. Entering someones HOUSE is alot different than jumping a fence and retrieving your deer on the backside of their farm....unless of course your deer ran into said person's house....then by all means enter to retrieve your downed game.


Heres a question for you Big, not saying your opinion is wrong because i can see where you are comin from, but a relavent question.

Let's say your walking your property lines with your dog, out for some morning exercise. Your dog sees a squirrel and chases it onto your neighbors property, who clearly stated you are NEVER to be on his property. Then your dog gets hurt somehow, say snagged in some barbedwire or stepped in a trap, broke a leg, or simply collapsed from heat exhaustion. Are you telling me you would leave your dog there and not help him out?

Dan,

Your opinion on the matter is one thing, acting on it is quite another.

Stating that you would break the law to get your deer (as you so boldly typed it)however,does not speak highly for you or anyone else who agrees with this line of thinking. I can't see how advocating the breaking of laws be ANYTHING but bad for our sport and how others perceive it and us as hunters. Do you really want the non hunting public to think a hunter will willingly trespass on their land for no better reason than to get a deer? Do you think they could care less about your hunting ordeer for that matter? All they see is someone blatantly disregarding their POSTED wishes.

If you don't like the laws...do something about it, but for Gods sake don't break them because it suits you at the moment, they (the laws) were put into place for a reason right?

I already covered this but seeing as how long this post has gotten I don't want you to have to go back and find my post.....I'll simply type it again.

The only reason someone should willingly and purposely trespass is if their life or someone else's is in the threat of death or great bodily harmor if there is some other type of emergency that needs attention. (I can't believe I even have to type this) Helping a hurt dying dog or person or yourself or a house that's burningetc...warrants such action.....retrieving a dead deer does not.

Now you answer my question(s)...How is it different if I walk on to your property (on the back side of your farm), or walk into your unlocked front door to get a drink of water? Is it ok for me to do either...who did I hurt?

Now before you answer...in both instances NOBODY was home and NOBODY knew I was even there. So who did I hurt in either instance? Must be ok right?

Your saying laws are laws,and i agree. butall laws arent equal. breaking and entering is worse than trespassing according to the law.Same as a hit in run is worse than speeding.

I also already typed out a response, saying that i would first call the person then call the game warden. but if it came down to it and the deer was only 10 feet, yesI would get it. I guess I am a hypocrit, because I always preach against trespassers.

Another hypothetical question, without an emergency situation this time. Lets say you are huge into RC planes. You finally got one set-up that is top of the line, and it ran you just under $2000. Your out flying it on your land, have the same a-hole neighbor. You either mess up, run out of batteries, get caught in a wind....long story short, your $2k plane goes down 10 feet onto your neighbors land, and your borders aren't even fenced. Still going with the NEVER cross over that imaginary line? Not trying to put down your views, just trying to understand them. Personally, I'd be grabbing my plane quick, fast, and in a hurry.

John, do you ever go over the speed limit on purpose?

Pass on the right?

Not yield when you should?

speed up when the light is turning yellow when your in a hurry?

these are all breaking the law....

I respect you tremendously John ... I have never even disagreed with you on anything until now... but IMO you are stretchin here .......

That's easy, I'll go ask, If I'm told no (I'm sure I would be) then I call the police to help me get my plane back.....simple. By me goingon to the property I could be charged with trespassing. If I don't I can charge the A-hole neighbor with theft without the threat of a counter suit for trespassing. Two wrongs don't make a right.

So it would be stealing the plane, but not the deer? How would the cops be able to retrieve your plane, but not the deer?

I just dont understand, but its ok, that seems to happen alot

Your going to rewind the hose up right?

Toanswer your question directly.....Yes, I've gone a few MPH over the limit (I don't pass on the right or go through yellow lights), I've also probably "J" walked a time or two before as well.

However you are equating a few minor infractionswithtrespassing and violating another person DIRECTLY. When someone posts a sign that reads NO TRESPASSINGand you knowingly do yourare violating that single persons right as an American citizen to be safe and secure in their land ordweling...BIG difference than breaking a local ordnance, it's not even close.