I used to own 35 ... why?

Let me first say, I haven't read all of the posts...........

Ok, I'll TRY to answer these questions..(great thread BTW Tony!)

Let me first precursor this by saying I would NEVER put myself in this situation. If I KNEW the other land owner was adamant about not letting anyone on his/her property, I would stay as far away as possible. That being said here is what I would do (I think)

Scenario #1 I wouldn't shoot, this is an easy choice for me, I'd just let the deer walk.

Scenario #2 This one isn't so easy to answer. I've never been in this situation before and hope I never will.
That being said please allow me some leeway here ok?

1. If I wasn't 100% sure how adamant the owner would be about trespassing, I would go ask if it was ok to get my deer. If he said "no" I would try to get help from the local DNR, but knowing the laws here in Illinois I know I'd be S.O.L.

2. Knowing in advance the hard fast position of the land owner, I wouldn't even go ask, (I wouldn't be there in the first place but I digress)I'd just show up at his door with the DNR to ask for permission, againthe answerwould probably still be S.O.L. but at least the DNR KNOW there is a dead deer and they would probably make the land owner jump through hoops to get it, this may just be enough for him to say "just go get it". The scenario above would give the land owner time to go get the deer and hide it before I arrived back with the DNR.

I don't think there would be a situation where I would just jump the fence, get my deer and jump back, again the operative word is "think" because I've never been in that situation. I'd like to believe I'd act accordingly.......

Again, knowing the land owner was a first grade jerk, I wouldn't be there in the first place.

To me it's simple.....it's just a deer, no matter how many points on it's head, and no deer is worth violating another man's personal rights.

Oh wow!

I see that I'm also in the minority with only 7%............[]

I think some of you guys take this (hunting)a little too seriously.[:'(]

Nope, some of us RESPECT that animal enough to risk dealing with some ignorant anti-hunter type to follow up on what we started. I've never hunted in a situation where Scenario #2 would be an issue, however, I've put the shot over the fence, on a few occasions while hunting borders of land I was allowed to retrieve deer from, but not allowed to place a stand on. With archery equipment, MOST of the time, YOU are the only one who knows that shot was ever taken. Not saying I advocate tresspassing, but when there are pieces of land that are literally never seen by the owners for sometimes a period of 2-3 yrs, I suppose, I don't consider it trespassing as much as using the land GOD gave us. I do regularly hunt one such piece of land that the owners are some out of touch GREEN-PEACE fanatics that have not been to that property in at least 2 yrs as they live over 1,000 miles away and are the owners as a result of a "confused" willing. Call me WRONG or whatever, but I've never left the place any worse than it was when I happened upon it, and I've several times cleared the oil well path of debris when accessing it (on foot).

Ive had both happen being I hunt a property line where he hates hunters and me! The doe I shot this year ran on his land and died! No way was I gonna not get her I will pay the tresspassing fine but I will not let my dead deer lay! I wait till dark then go get it!

As I thought ,you have no dog in this fight.

Honestly if I hung the stand in bow range then I'm shooting and recovering. That's being honest IF I hung the stand there. Shooting 20 yds on your side or 2 steps the other side means nothing if you end up stepping foot across the property line. What if you knew the deer's escape route was on your side. When you shoot him on the other side of the fence your expecting him to run his final breaths over to your side. hmmm....what do you do now? Is it the point of where the deer is during the act of shooting or stepping foot on the forbidden land?

In reality I wouldn't hang the stand there. It really should be both where the deer is and where it will end up. Choosing to do so dictates my decision to tresspass or not IMO. Easy to say otherwise but most who say they wouldn't shoot or recover would probably never be in the situation so it's not relevant.

I went on a bowhunt with a friend this season to a property as a guest. Me and the other guest actually discussed after the hunt how close we were to some private land which would of created a recovery issue. Luckily the buck that was killed expired before getting across the road to these private residences. Made us consider this discussion and we both agreed that placing the stand where this isn't an issue is best.

So Doug....Am I reading this right?....You put respect for an animal OVER the respect for another PERSON'S property?? You'll step on another mans rights because of a deer?

Hey I love hunting as much as the next guy but there is NO WAY I'm putting an animal (any animal) before another's rights as a free American....Our forefathersfought too hart to earn them.

If another person owns a piece of property have enough RESPECT for that person to ask permission to access it. If the answer is no try other avenues, if they fail, so be it....no disrespect to the animal in that scenario, you did all you could do.

Thats a tough choice, espcally if the deer of your life is walking just on the other side of a fence. I would wait to see if he crosses, mabey grunt or rattle to see if he would jump over to see what is going on. The second one I would use a guilley suit and low crawl to my buck and drag him back.

The very folks you speak of as "out of touch green peace fanatics" have the same civil rights as America gives you .

I simply can not believe what I am reading from the same group of people that say the ainti hunters are fanatics and out to destroy hunting. They arn't the problem ,as you canclearly read here we don't give a dead rats ass about others property,others thoughts,and most of all others civil rights.

Keep beating your chests and making lame excuses for why you will knowingly break the laws that the simplest of man can understand. I'm to sick to continue.[:'(]