no. where i hunt, if you put the time in and know when and where to hunt you can get yourself a P & Y. there are lots of nice ones around and if your lucky or know what your doing you can get one.

I can honestly say that it doesn't bother me a bit. I will rejoice with a "rookie" over a spike or a new state record just the same.

In trying to relate here... Deer hunting hasgone okay for me, but turkeyhunting isanother story. I blew a chance in my first year of taking a really nice gobbler and then didn't get another chance at anything until 5 years later! I was inagony at times and Iwouldn't wish that on anyone! Sure I ended up doing a lot more "homework" andit was sweet when it finally happened, but I don't feel I would have been robbed OR (more yet)would have been robbing anyone else of any "experience" if I had been successful in dropping the hammer on the first longbeard.

I just don't see where it matters... But, that's my $.02.

Absolutley nothing wrong with younger hunters shooting a biggun.

Rumor has it, that this one came in at 202" and the two of them where sitting in a 15 foot 2-man stand, the elder is 16ish and the younger is not legal as of yet.

Awesome experience for the two of them......

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Exactly Matt, I can promise you I know what I'm doing and I'm yet to take a P&Y after 26 seasons. I have however missed a few but I can also promise you this, give the land some of these members are hunting to me and I can produce P&Y's ever season. I've shot 3.5 year olds for several years now, thing is, my 3.5 year olds score maybe 100" and in IL, WI, IA 3.5 year olds score 130's. Put those same people in my woods and they won't produce often or ever as well. It's not always "knowledge", "experience". I can also say this, after 26 seasons, I've seen ONE deer that would score over 150"....Why do you think PA hunters travel to IL, IA, KS, etc....I don't see anyone booking hunts in PA for the same bucks.

Sure PA has some booners but guess what, if they are seen, they are usually shot. Sad but true, farmers for crop damage or poachers. Where as, As Greg stated about his properties in that other thread having 130's common, PA has 85-100" commons. It's numbers, Midwest states have MORE in the statistics of the herd. Sure there are P&Y bucks in ALL states, some just have more so where would one stand a better chance at said bucks.

It's simple, I'll use Tiffany Lakoski for example, do you honestly think she's a more quailified bowhunter than most of our forum members yet she's taken bucks I may never see.

I made the statement the other day after I learned my 12 year old nephew just shot his second big buck of his life both of which are bigger than any buck I've shot yet. I do not have access to his locations, well I could I just choose not to..and he said he passed 14 bucks to get that one. I passed 2 legal bucks all season and shot the best one I saw. I do thinks right, I know what I'm doing. PA is a different state than most when it comes to pressured animals. Same goes with our turkeys. There is a saying in the turkey industry and I've heard many a "pro" on TV say it as well. If you can call in and kill a spring gobbler in PA, You can kill a gobbler anywhere in the country!.

Some of that might not be far off in the whitetail woods as well.

There a taxidermist of a friend of mine, in fact that's where I'm going next Nov's rut....he said, and some of you will be offended by this, The deer in IL just don't look up. That's what he says, he and his friend brought 150's home this fall. That's his outtake of hunting IL vs PA.

No, location has nothing to do with it. [&:]

Fraley I swear....I have NO IDEA of what you're trying to get at or what point you're trying to make.

I'm using an outfitter. I have no idea if we'll need a "guide" to say...."there's the water hole.....they'll be coming from all directions" or not. We'll probably be able to figure that out on our own.

If I were a die-hard Pronghorn hunter....and I hunted them for an extended season (I dunno.....maybe like .....whitetails, here)....then I wouldn't consider a guide. I'm going on this trip because some friends are going....and it is what it is. We could as easily be hunting jackelopes and I wouldn't care.

The rest of your presumptive (albeit false)post makes no sense. I have no idea where you dream this stuff up.

And you guyssure have a lot of gall making the assumption that everyone's SO enthralled with P&Y bucks that you believe it's everyone's goal in life to get themselves one. Here's the thing.....it ain't that big on my list of things to do in life.....or even hunting. I wonder if it would be so high on many people's lists.....if they lived here. Living where you guys do.....and being P&Y buck fans.....is kinda like living in Quebec and being fond of people who speak French.

I know hunters that have hunted IL. several years on managed land and haven't killed squat

If you think the 80 acres I have access to in IL. is a cake walk think again. 4 other guys have permission to bowhunt it and in addition to that there are 5 other guys hunting it Slug season. Nothing easy I don't care what state you hunt unless you own or have access to some pretty good ground with limited access. I'm not complaining if I can get to my stand 1st most of the time these other guys push all the deer by me!

Dan

lol oh jeffery come on now you are a pretty smart guy.
As for anything else I best be nice Rob's a admin now. When did this happen btw? Congrats!

Your exactly right Dan, it's not bound by state lines, it's location within states as well. It's called managed land and access to said land or at least around managed lands. If a property has 10 P&Y's on it, and another has 1, guess where the odds are?