I'm simply stating that I don't agree. I don't think location has as much to do w/ it as plain old fashioned hard work.....Why do you keep turning this into "I'm right, and those that don't agree aren't"....?

You're 100% entitled to your opinion, but that don't make it scientific fact.....Nor is mine. It doesn't even make you wrong....nor me. I'm not at all sure what it was turned into, because quite honestly I didn't really follow it very closely.

That is an Impressive bunch of Bucks in such a short time, way to go kelly!
Hay just think what your average will be when you cullone of those runts this year! Ill be down that way the last 10 days befor Rifle season, mom will be 82 on the 13th and it will give me a chance at another Kentucky wall hanger!

If nothing else is gain from this thread... we nowknow you mustproof read 1/2 ofyour ownposts and most likely not justfor spelling errors.


Gmmat

Since we don't know your area, I am curious. I get the impression from your posts that 3.5 years old is it for bucks that you've seenin your area and no one knows your area like you do. What happened to the older mature bucks??Are they over hunted??I wouldn't think theymagically die from old age after 3.5 years old so there should be a few 4.5, 5.5 and so forth come hunting season. To me... a 3.5 year old buck isn't a mature buck but that hardly matters. Just curious as to what happened to your older bucks??? We don't have your deer numbers but I can find bucks older then 3.5 years old here especially in a low hunting pressured area which most ofour areaisn't. QDM means nothing to most here. I wouldn't think it is just a location type dealso enlighten me please on your area.

Just a side note... Sorryitbothers youthat most's perspective of agood buck hunter revolves around the size of the racks they've taken. Some of us do think otherwise.I've gotten to know a guy from NC and another from SC who probablycould out hunt most of us here. Whileyou would only need 3 fingers to count theirP&Y,I wished I know halfof what they have forgotten over the years.

Tim

TJF:

I've got game cam photos of 1 buck that's at least 4.5, now. I saw him in '05 at the distance of about 2 yds. He had a nice 8 point rack, then....and he sncuk up on me like a cat. I had him at 0 yds on two occasions last year.....and at 20 yds on closing day. I already have him on game cam this year. He had a buddy he hung out with in the early season, last year.....and I think he was a 3.5 las year.

Yes.....3.5 and older are here. There "might" be mature deer here I've never seen. I never saw the 3.5 yr old I shot last year as a younger deer.....unless he did a LOT of antler growing in one season. I saw a half rack last year that might have been a 3.5. What happens to them all, though? Good question. I'm not the only hunter, here. I have neighbors who own an acre of land. ONE acre. They shot 2 10-pointers and 2 8-pointers last year. I know what happens to a few of them. if they knew of a large racked deer......no boundary line would stop them from killing him.....and no weapon restriction.....and maybe no season.

I can only do what I can do.

Nor to hunters, here. They all preach letting the little ones go......but what they do on their own farms when no one is looking......I've heard doesn't match what they preach.

It's a testament to where deer huntng is headed. 2 guys put the same efforts in......one guy is deemed to be a guru because of where he lives. QAM is driving that. There are guys here and everywhere who never had an opportunity to hunt big deer. They're viewed by many as not as good of hunters......but I know better.

Sticking up for a buddy..... LOL, is that what you're calling it? Hey, atleast one person here thinks you're all that.... I bet he's like a lil' brother to ya?

It would seem that you waste far to much of your time trying to convince folks like GMMAT that you're an expert hunter. Give us a guys a break that do know ya. But it is the Net so you can be whomever you want to be here bud. It's your story, tell it like you want to.

So you hunt small farms..... who cares? Does that qualify you for expert status or does that mean that you really must have a ton of bucks in your area for no more property than you hunt? I'm not going to feel sorry for ya, it's pretty much the average sized property in many areas. I would like to see how easily many of the forum members here could kill deer on your properties? I don't have any reason to believe that theywould have to workextra hard? I mean come on....it's Ohio and if it's even slightly managed property,a 3 1/2 year old 140" gross buck that you chest thump aboutisn't rare that's for sure.

You question GMMAT's ability.... why? He seems to know just as much about whitetail as you do and perhaps even more about what it takes to manage property and make some changes. He's killed as manyy deer as we've seen from you plus he's tagged a buck as old as anything you've taken. Don't make tha fact that his buck doesn't score as well any less of an acomplishment, remember not all of us here are spoiled by living in a big buck hotspot!

Are you serious about "my" bucks? I KNOW you've seen me around many different forums for a longtime so you should know better. You've seen the animals I've taken, including tha past couple seasons ofmuzzleloader killsand you should know that for the last couple seasons my hunters have taken some excellent bucks.... well by your standards, some awesome bucks!

I spend a great deal of time putting guys onto trophy class bucks and there are propbably a couple members on this forum that have hunted with me and had success.... especially on the caliber of animals that make you chest thump. I've also posted photos on some dandy bucks that we've passed on over the years..... again chest thumpers by your count.

Even the kids that hunt with me seem to be able to get the job done as well as you can.... what's that saying? LOL!

My 11 year old Daughter's '06 buck. Realize that just one more of these guys and she'll have as many decent animals as YOUhave Buckeye! [:-]I wonder if that would make her an expert as well ?

LOL you are a riot!

I have never implied that I am a great hunter... I have never tried to convince anyone that I am either.... The argument with gmmat is nothing even close to what you are speaking of. My "argument" with himwas there are nice bucks everywhere that whitetail live. If someone wants one bad enough they have to do what it takes to locate and set up on them. I agreed with him odds are better in the big bucks areas......


So to validate yourself now you want to talk about gun kills on the bowhunting forum I don't even own a gun bro....

If anyone is a chest thumper around here it is you and your never ending BS arrogance degrading people for what they choose to shoot. You were picking on a 16 year old kid here a week or so ago. Real cool man, real cool. You fit in a lot better over on AT with your arrogance.

How many mature bucks have I shot Cornfed? Since you think you know....

Better yet, I am not going to reply to you about this any more as I come to this site for enjoyment and I have not been enjoying myself lately. Say what you wish man.

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