Total inches?
07-27-2007 | 03:44 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Wadena, MN
RE: Total inches?
Yes dave, but you also hunted with the pilgrims didnt you?
ORIGINAL: davidmil
Well let's see, I've probably shot somewhere around 60 bucks with a bow. You do the math. 50 x 60 LOL I couldn't really put an inch total on it... but it's more than 900.[8D]
Well let's see, I've probably shot somewhere around 60 bucks with a bow. You do the math. 50 x 60 LOL I couldn't really put an inch total on it... but it's more than 900.[8D]
07-27-2007 | 03:58 PM
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RE: Total inches?
Buck Magnet:
No I'm not. I'm making a statement that ruffles feathers.....but I'm not making light of his accomplishments. I'm sure he's a dedicated hunter.
How is this different than what I do? What my bow shop owner does? What a LOT of guys on this board that dont shoot big deer do?
It isn't. The difference is......location. That is ALL I've been saying. Everything you say he does.....I do...and so does a LOT of people on this and other forums. I'm gonna raise the average of the bucks here over the next few years (as Scott has likely done).....but they'll never be as big as the ones in OH. ALL I've been saying is......people work JUST as hard at this as people in the big buck states......but the public perception is.....the gusy shooting the big bucks are better hunters. Theres NO difference in the hunters' abilities.....save ONE.......location. How can you argue this?
I don't pass that off as anything. I commend you on your efforts. But....why can't the information be found in magazines or on the internet. And...what was your point? I've been in contact with my wildlife bio. I supplemental feed year round. I planted a food plot. I attended a QDMA seminar. I'm not sure how many years I'd need to do this to be "experienced".
So don't you find it HIGHLY arrogant that people will sit....states away....and tell me they know things about my woods....better than me? I find it insulting.
You guys are trying to read WAY more into what Ive been saying. ALL I'm saying is.....the difference between what Scott kills and what oh.....HuntingEd kills is.....location. If you don't agree with this.....you have to assume that Scott's simply working harder than everyone who doesn't kill a deer as big as the ones he kills.....and I just don't believe that.
Not making light ofScott's accomplishments?
Yes, Ohio is know to grow big bucks, but that doesn't mean that every patch of woods in Ohio has a few booners running around. Granted, Scott's property may hold more large racked bucks than other peoples properties, but that can't be cast off as just a "natural" thing. This is due to the fact that he practices management and he puts in hours of work afield each year to make it that way.
It isn't. The difference is......location. That is ALL I've been saying. Everything you say he does.....I do...and so does a LOT of people on this and other forums. I'm gonna raise the average of the bucks here over the next few years (as Scott has likely done).....but they'll never be as big as the ones in OH. ALL I've been saying is......people work JUST as hard at this as people in the big buck states......but the public perception is.....the gusy shooting the big bucks are better hunters. Theres NO difference in the hunters' abilities.....save ONE.......location. How can you argue this?
You can pass this off as being lucky or what have you, but info on exactly how to manage MY property is something that can't be found in any book/magazine or on the internet.
You can make the same comments about me as you do aboutScott, but the fact is that not you, not anybody can come to my property having never been here and know the ins and outs of it.
You guys are trying to read WAY more into what Ive been saying. ALL I'm saying is.....the difference between what Scott kills and what oh.....HuntingEd kills is.....location. If you don't agree with this.....you have to assume that Scott's simply working harder than everyone who doesn't kill a deer as big as the ones he kills.....and I just don't believe that.
07-27-2007 | 04:06 PM
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Giant Nontypical
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From: Pittsburgh, PA
RE: Total inches?
You bring up a good point, yes, parts of Pennsylvania (especially where you and I are located) have great habitat for deer with ample amounts of nutrition for the deer. Honestly though, if the genetics are equal, and we have the amazing nutrition that these areas do, then that would mean it must be an "age" thing...but that wouldn't explain why an average Pennsylvania whitetail will generally score less than an average Canadian or Illinois/Kansas/Iowa whitetail of the same age. That makes me wonder just how much hunting pressure could affect antler development. I wonder if the stress of having 1 million plus hunters in the woods of a smaller state each year can have adverse effects on antler growth.
2. Habitat across this state varies WIDELY. A buck living in the rich farmland is going to bemore well fedthan a buck living in a stand of mature timber. THe timber whitetail is not going to reach his potential due to the availabity of food.
3. Factor in the skewed buck to doe ratio and poor age structure where many 1.5 get to breed rather than save that energy towards growing...adn again, they need longer to reach thier potential.
4. I'd also like to see the average age of a "big" buck taken in PA vs the places you mentioned. Remember to 90% of the people in PA a 2 1/2 year old buck is a monster.
Bottom line is that PA is a complete unknown as far as potential of growing huge bucks goes. I think far too few places have the combination of food AND age AND herd structure to allow the genetics to really show thru.
07-27-2007 | 04:17 PM
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From: Mont County, Pa
RE: Total inches?
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
1. I don't think we know what the "average" potential for a buck is in PA. Just not enough live that long. Factor in the wide slot in which fawns are born and you even further set that back cause even a genetic wonder born in the beginning of july is going to take a while(3 years)to recover and even out (or surpass) bucks of his same age class.
2. Habitat across this state varies WIDELY. A buck living in the rich farmland is going to bemore well fedthan a buck living in a stand of mature timber. THe timber whitetail is not going to reach his potential due to the availabity of food.
3. Factor in the skewed buck to doe ratio and poor age structure where many 1.5 get to breed rather than save that energy towards growing...adn again, they need longer to reach thier potential.
4. I'd also like to see the average age of a "big" buck taken in PA vs the places you mentioned. Remember to 90% of the people in PA a 2 1/2 year old buck is a monster.
Bottom line is that PA is a complete unknown as far as potential of growing huge bucks goes. I think far too few places have the combination of food AND age AND herd structure to allow the genetics to really show thru.
You bring up a good point, yes, parts of Pennsylvania (especially where you and I are located) have great habitat for deer with ample amounts of nutrition for the deer. Honestly though, if the genetics are equal, and we have the amazing nutrition that these areas do, then that would mean it must be an "age" thing...but that wouldn't explain why an average Pennsylvania whitetail will generally score less than an average Canadian or Illinois/Kansas/Iowa whitetail of the same age. That makes me wonder just how much hunting pressure could affect antler development. I wonder if the stress of having 1 million plus hunters in the woods of a smaller state each year can have adverse effects on antler growth.
2. Habitat across this state varies WIDELY. A buck living in the rich farmland is going to bemore well fedthan a buck living in a stand of mature timber. THe timber whitetail is not going to reach his potential due to the availabity of food.
3. Factor in the skewed buck to doe ratio and poor age structure where many 1.5 get to breed rather than save that energy towards growing...adn again, they need longer to reach thier potential.
4. I'd also like to see the average age of a "big" buck taken in PA vs the places you mentioned. Remember to 90% of the people in PA a 2 1/2 year old buck is a monster.
Bottom line is that PA is a complete unknown as far as potential of growing huge bucks goes. I think far too few places have the combination of food AND age AND herd structure to allow the genetics to really show thru.
07-27-2007 | 04:23 PM
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Dominant Buck
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From: Blossvale, New York
RE: Total inches?
Wheres he from??? Ain't that a coincidence!!?
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