After having a carbon arrow explode on me for no apparant reason last summer, I switched to A/C/C arrows. Does this extreme speed concern you that a carbonarrow may give out?

Don..I'm interested in this, too. Hell I switched to a/c/c's for my hunting arrows this fall....because I thought my Ally was fast...lol.

Well, if you'd pick up one of those arrows and not be concerned, you'd be nuts. They feel like 29" drinking straws. LOL

I kindalet everyone else be the guinea pigs, b/c those arrows have been in production for 3-4 years now. The first generation sucked - I saw them in action, first hand. They would mushroom at the tip, even just if you shot them into a block. They would break off when you pulled them from the targets. They changed some things, revamped the production, and worked out the bugs. Well, now there are guys who swear by them. There are even guys out there shooting them out of non-HCA bows. I've heard enough good reports that I figured it was time to give it a fair shot. I'm still expecting them to be brittle, but at least worthy of a fair look.

It's just like the first generation carbon wrap arrows. They were horrible. I had a dozen Beman ICS that I actually threw away - bought them when they were just released. 100% garbage. A few years later, the bugs were gone, and everybody was shooting them.

So yeah, these arrows are a gamble. I risked getting a dozen junk arrows, but the potential payoff is taking my bow's performance to the next level.

I'm obviously more at-risk of blowing one up, b/c I shoot a fairly long draw, and a fairly heavy weight. Those risks are greatly reduced for guys shooting shorter draws or pulling 50-65#.

It's like this: the arrows are $100/dz, and you can buy 3 from the HCAsitefor $25. If you pick up the bow, you can test drive the arrows for 25 bucks. If you hate 'em, you're only out of $25, 50, or 100 bucks, and you can shoot your old arrows - you've still got an awesome bow. Every once in a while, something comes along that you've just gotta try for yourself. This was one of those things, for me at least.

Fran,

I was just looking at their comparison chart.

I have CX 3D Select 300's and at 63#'s my Ally does 284 fpswith a 125 gr tip andwrap (arrow weight at 391 grs). My GT 7595's are at 293 @ 72# at a weight of 421 gr.If their numbers are right for the iron Mace the Ally could actually be faster with those light arrows. I know 1" of draw length makes a difference.

If I wasn't concerned about the damage to the bow I'd have to try one of those arrows in my Ally. I still don't think it produce the numbers you are getting though.

I tell you what quick you sure have my interest peaked in HCA again, havent owned a high country since 93 or 94 but will have to check out a Iron Mace. I cant believe that bow put up 369, that is just crazy fast. I might actually be able to break the 300 barrier with a 27" draw.

Quickman, nice bow bud, the deer inyour woods best be fearful come fall!

It doesn't concern me a bit. But I prefer a heavier arrow for hunting. I went to Easton FMJs for this upcoming season. The final finished arrows, crests and all weigh in at 454 grs. My Iron Mace is set at 64 #s, 29.5" and is shooting those logs at 282fps. Thats 80.1 ft/lbs of KE if you believe in that kinda thing. Heck, plenty of folks are shooting bows at 70#s and arrows under 400grs that are right there between 280-290. Still...way more than you need to punch through a deer...even lengthwise.

KE is one thing, but what I consider a more important number (espeically in the traditional world) is momentum. Of course thisis weThats one reason traditional shooters pick 600 gr or more arrows. And they are dead quiet. Its probably not possible for us to reach 230fps with a 400gr arrow to equal the momentum of a 650gr arrow going out at 180fps(which is quite likely for a good recurve).

I mean, I guess if one is into that sort of thing, wanting the numbers, nothing wrong with it. But I got to ask, is everyone having issues with 250fps bows? I realize numbers are important and a big selling point in this day and time. And fast is cool. But this is pushing the hairy edge. And maybe counterintuitive for penetration, momentum.

To me speed means one thing, more room for error when ranging an animal. Not really an issue when treestand hunting whitetails, but is a crucial issue when spot and stalk hunting in open terrain. With all honesty, I am planning on getting a new bow next year, and Quick has me seriously considering the Iron Mace. If I could have one pin out to 35 yards, that is a serious advantage.

Thanks for the info Quick. Quite interesting.

Fran:

Is that speed IBO? I guess the reason I'm asking is.....is the arrow the reason you're getting those speeds? (or a BIG reason)

What would my '07 ALLY @ 71lbs fling that same arrow at?

Just curious.