Would you knowingly break the law?
05-16-2007 | 01:42 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Hey Bawana, doesn't it just eat at you that I could be commuting from the concrete jungle andhunting the place right next door to you, and *gasp* shoot a deer that runs 3 feet over your property line and keels over, and I would have the audacity and ignoranceto *gasp* reach over there and retrieve it.[:-]
Oh the humanity!
---this criminal act is obviously theless ethicalalternative to Jim, Frank and Germ's proposed method - leaving it rot.
These city folk are just plain awful. No regard for anyone else! I really don't know how I can sleep at night. LMAO
Hey Bawana, doesn't it just eat at you that I could be commuting from the concrete jungle andhunting the place right next door to you, and *gasp* shoot a deer that runs 3 feet over your property line and keels over, and I would have the audacity and ignoranceto *gasp* reach over there and retrieve it.[:-]
Oh the humanity!
---this criminal act is obviously theless ethicalalternative to Jim, Frank and Germ's proposed method - leaving it rot.
These city folk are just plain awful. No regard for anyone else! I really don't know how I can sleep at night. LMAO
05-16-2007 | 01:43 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
If I know the land owner does not want me on his property I would try not to put myself in the position to where my deer could run off to there.If by some odd chance it did happen I would call and try to explain that I took every precaution but the deer still ended up on his property. If he still said no, then that's it, it stays there.
To me it's simple....No deer (not even a trophy buck)is worth trespassing on anothers land. We as Americans have the right to protect ourselves and our property and have the right not to allow others on said property. A deer while important to you may mean nothing to the person who you are trespassing against.
What if someone walked up to your house and started drinking from your water spicket...his explanation was that he was just thirsty and wasn't hurting anyone or bothering anyone, he may have been really thirsty........or casing your place.
you don't know.
We live in a world where people will do (and try) just about anything to get over on someone else either to steal from them or assault them.
It's the land ownersright to not allow anyone on their land and we as hunters should always respect that.
To me it's simple....No deer (not even a trophy buck)is worth trespassing on anothers land. We as Americans have the right to protect ourselves and our property and have the right not to allow others on said property. A deer while important to you may mean nothing to the person who you are trespassing against.
What if someone walked up to your house and started drinking from your water spicket...his explanation was that he was just thirsty and wasn't hurting anyone or bothering anyone, he may have been really thirsty........or casing your place.
you don't know. We live in a world where people will do (and try) just about anything to get over on someone else either to steal from them or assault them.
It's the land ownersright to not allow anyone on their land and we as hunters should always respect that.
05-16-2007 | 01:45 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
ORIGINAL: BigJ12
If I know the land owner does not want me on his property I would try not to put myself in the position to where my deer could run off to there.If by some odd chance it did happen I would call and try to explain that I took every precaution but the deer still ended up on his property. If he still said no, then that's it, it stays there.
To me it's simple....No deer (not even a trophy buck)is worth trespassing on anothers land. We as Americans have the right to protect ourselves and our property and have the right not to allow others on said property. A deer while important to you may mean nothing to the person who you are trespassing against.
What if someone walked up to your house and started drinking from your water spicket...his explanation was that he was just thirsty and wasn't hurting anyone or bothering anyone, he may have been really thirsty........or casing your place.you don't know.
We live in a world where people will do (and try) just about anything to get over on someone else either to steal from them or assault them.
It's the land ownersright to not allow anyone on their land and we as hunters should always respect that.
If I know the land owner does not want me on his property I would try not to put myself in the position to where my deer could run off to there.If by some odd chance it did happen I would call and try to explain that I took every precaution but the deer still ended up on his property. If he still said no, then that's it, it stays there.
To me it's simple....No deer (not even a trophy buck)is worth trespassing on anothers land. We as Americans have the right to protect ourselves and our property and have the right not to allow others on said property. A deer while important to you may mean nothing to the person who you are trespassing against.
What if someone walked up to your house and started drinking from your water spicket...his explanation was that he was just thirsty and wasn't hurting anyone or bothering anyone, he may have been really thirsty........or casing your place.
you don't know. We live in a world where people will do (and try) just about anything to get over on someone else either to steal from them or assault them.
It's the land ownersright to not allow anyone on their land and we as hunters should always respect that.
J/K lawyers[:-]
05-16-2007 | 01:49 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Ridiculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
05-16-2007 | 01:49 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
GREAT post, BigJ.
I guess what inflames me is the "entitlement" mentality. What's different than say.....your neighbor beating his wife and she seeks refuge in your home? Can he just come on in and get her???
I don't see much difference.
In both cases....the person KNOWS they aren't allowed to be where they want to go....and they say "the hell with it".....I'm going, anyway.
I guess what inflames me is the "entitlement" mentality. What's different than say.....your neighbor beating his wife and she seeks refuge in your home? Can he just come on in and get her???
I don't see much difference.
In both cases....the person KNOWS they aren't allowed to be where they want to go....and they say "the hell with it".....I'm going, anyway.
05-16-2007 | 01:55 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
GMMAT,
Just for arguments sake, let's flip that around. Hypothetically, through an open window, you see your neighbor beating his wife and you know she may be seriously hurt or even dead before help can arrive if you call the police, should you, or do you have the right to go on his property to stop him?
Just for arguments sake, let's flip that around. Hypothetically, through an open window, you see your neighbor beating his wife and you know she may be seriously hurt or even dead before help can arrive if you call the police, should you, or do you have the right to go on his property to stop him?
05-16-2007 | 01:55 PM
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LC...I don't have to worry about it in NC. I've even gotten permission from people that I KNOW won't let me hunt, though. We don't have to worry about this scenario in NC.
If I had to worry about this.....I'd have NOWHERE to hunt (of the places near my home I hunt, now). I've shot 3 that went onto the neighboring property. i hunt the HECK out of some break lines (property lines)!
If I had to worry about this.....I'd have NOWHERE to hunt (of the places near my home I hunt, now). I've shot 3 that went onto the neighboring property. i hunt the HECK out of some break lines (property lines)!
05-16-2007 | 01:57 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
I wasn't talking about the facuet in the kitchen, I'm talking about the water hose on the outside of the house.
I used this example because a few years ago we had this very thing happen to my father-in-laws property in a very rual area of sothern Illinois. We were there for the weekend scouting the landwhen upon returning we spotted a guy drinking from the hose. We asked him what he was doing and he said he was out for a walk enjoying the day and was very thirsty. He seemed and looked like a very nice guy. We politely asked him to leave and that there was no trespassing on the property. (signs posted everywhere)
Later that week we found out that the very same guy was behind a string of break-ins and one assault on an elderly lady.
05-16-2007 | 01:57 PM
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RE: Would you knowingly break the law?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
It is still private property
Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?
What is the difference between your land aroundyour house andmy 300 acers?
If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?