Would you knowingly break the law?
#91
GMMAT,
Just for arguments sake, let's flip that around. Hypothetically, through an open window, you see your neighbor beating his wife and you know she may be seriously hurt or even dead before help can arrive if you call the police, should you, or do you have the right to go on his property to stop him?
Just for arguments sake, let's flip that around. Hypothetically, through an open window, you see your neighbor beating his wife and you know she may be seriously hurt or even dead before help can arrive if you call the police, should you, or do you have the right to go on his property to stop him?
Too off topic, too......sorry.
#92
GMMAT,
But like you said, it's hypothetical. You're there, the buck you shot is 10 yards away on the other side of the posted fence. Let's make it a 170" main frame 10 pointwith double drop tines. What would you do?
But like you said, it's hypothetical. You're there, the buck you shot is 10 yards away on the other side of the posted fence. Let's make it a 170" main frame 10 pointwith double drop tines. What would you do?
#93
ORIGINAL: LittleChief
GMMAT,
But like you said, it's hypothetical. You're there, the buck you shot is 10 yards away on the other side of the posted fence. Let's make it a 170" main frame 10 pointwith double drop tines. What would you do?
GMMAT,
But like you said, it's hypothetical. You're there, the buck you shot is 10 yards away on the other side of the posted fence. Let's make it a 170" main frame 10 pointwith double drop tines. What would you do?
#94
ORIGINAL: quiksilver
Hey Bawana, doesn't it just eat at you that I could be commuting from the concrete jungle andhunting the place right next door to you, and *gasp* shoot a deer that runs 3 feet over your property line and keels over, and I would have the audacity and ignoranceto *gasp* reach over there and retrieve it.[:-]
Oh the humanity!
---this criminal act is obviously theless ethicalalternative to Jim, Frank and Germ's proposed method - leaving it rot.
These city folk are just plain awful. No regard for anyone else! I really don't know how I can sleep at night. LMAO
Hey Bawana, doesn't it just eat at you that I could be commuting from the concrete jungle andhunting the place right next door to you, and *gasp* shoot a deer that runs 3 feet over your property line and keels over, and I would have the audacity and ignoranceto *gasp* reach over there and retrieve it.[:-]
Oh the humanity!
---this criminal act is obviously theless ethicalalternative to Jim, Frank and Germ's proposed method - leaving it rot.
These city folk are just plain awful. No regard for anyone else! I really don't know how I can sleep at night. LMAO
I hope you enjoy yourself absorbedexistence while breathing the stench filled air your neighborspollute with rotting garbage and whining kids.
It will be only in your dreams that you are able to hunt anywhere near me and it will be in that same dream you will bag your first deer. Only to have it run and die on the transit authority train tracks that boarder your wilderness.[
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#95
ORIGINAL: Germ
Bruce that is not true.
It is still private property
Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?
What is the difference between your land around my house andmy 300 acers?
If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
It is still private property
Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?
What is the difference between your land around my house andmy 300 acers?
If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?
To say crossing a remote corner of your 300 acre property is like walking in your living room is a bad comparative example and takes away from the reasonableness of an argument. It becomes emotional and not logical.
#96
LC....I've never had to put myself in that situation. Like I said....if it were an issue, here....I'd change wher ei hunted. Also...if it makes it that far(if you're hunting a responsible distance from a point where you KNOW you can't retrieve it).....I didn't do something right.
As long as I hunt NC, though......non-issue.
As long as I hunt NC, though......non-issue.
#97
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I did say that they were both a crime but they were not the same in seriousness. If I were to cross a remote corner of your 300 acre property you can't tell that that would be as serious as going through your front door and out your back door to get somewhere. It is like the speeding analogy: Is going 65 in a 55 as bad as going 125 in a 55? They are both wrong butwhat would you rather be caught doing?
To say crossing a remote corner of your 300 acre property is like walking in your living room is a bad comparative example and takes away from the reasonableness of an argument. It becomes emotional and not logical.
ORIGINAL: Germ
Bruce that is not true.
It is still private property
Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?
What is the difference between your land around my house andmy 300 acers?
If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
It is still private property
Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?
What is the difference between your land around my house andmy 300 acers?
If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?
To say crossing a remote corner of your 300 acre property is like walking in your living room is a bad comparative example and takes away from the reasonableness of an argument. It becomes emotional and not logical.
What if someone walked up to your house and started drinking from your water spicket
#98
[&o] I would cry LC and kick myself senseless.

I'd be figuring out some way to get it. If I couldn't set foot on the land, I'd be grabbing some rope and lassoing those antlers. I'd think of something.
Too off topic, too......sorry.
Anyway, you sure stirred up a good pot on this one!
#99
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
GMMAT is correct. The sense of entitlement here is beginning to make me sick. You are not entitled to anything that you do not get for yourself. Take some personal responsibility. If you want to be able to be on land whenever you want, then go buy some or go to public lands. You are not entitled to what is mine simply because I have more than you. There are many on here that have more money than I do. Do you see me telling them that they owe me money because they have so much?
#100
I do believe that I am legally entitled to enter and retrieve my deer.I could make a very colorable argument as to precisely why, too. (see Pierson v. Post for deer ownership).
Sorry if "entitlement" bothers you, but I believe that I am legally privileged to enter and recover. Sorry, but I have a valid base for that opinion, and I would be prepared to put it to the test. There are plenty of other situations where individuals are legally permitted (or"entitled," as you call it)to enter private property,at the landowner's behest,and this is just another one of those situations.
Specifically, I think you could make a good argument for implied privilege(trespass defense)based on a theory of public necessity - thepotential waste of mypersonal property that became mislaid upon your property through no fault of my own (wounded on my landand ranacross the fenceto expire).
...good luck finding a judge or DA who would prosecute a guy for recovering his deer in lieu of letting it rot to pieces.
Sorry if "entitlement" bothers you, but I believe that I am legally privileged to enter and recover. Sorry, but I have a valid base for that opinion, and I would be prepared to put it to the test. There are plenty of other situations where individuals are legally permitted (or"entitled," as you call it)to enter private property,at the landowner's behest,and this is just another one of those situations.
Specifically, I think you could make a good argument for implied privilege(trespass defense)based on a theory of public necessity - thepotential waste of mypersonal property that became mislaid upon your property through no fault of my own (wounded on my landand ranacross the fenceto expire).
...good luck finding a judge or DA who would prosecute a guy for recovering his deer in lieu of letting it rot to pieces.


