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Old 05-16-2007 | 01:58 PM
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GMMAT,
Just for arguments sake, let's flip that around. Hypothetically, through an open window, you see your neighbor beating his wife and you know she may be seriously hurt or even dead before help can arrive if you call the police, should you, or do you have the right to go on his property to stop him?
LC....Not the right to go into his house.....or onto his property. You're likely looking at the easiest way to die in the US. I'll call 911....I'll raise a ruckus outside....but I will NOT go into a neighbor's house to break up a fight with his wife. I value my life, too much. That's not a very responsible thing to do for MY family's sake.

Too off topic, too......sorry.
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Old 05-16-2007 | 01:59 PM
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But like you said, it's hypothetical. You're there, the buck you shot is 10 yards away on the other side of the posted fence. Let's make it a 170" main frame 10 pointwith double drop tines. What would you do?
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:00 PM
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GMMAT,
But like you said, it's hypothetical. You're there, the buck you shot is 10 yards away on the other side of the posted fence. Let's make it a 170" main frame 10 pointwith double drop tines. What would you do?
[&o] I would cry LC and kick myself senseless
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:01 PM
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Hey Bawana, doesn't it just eat at you that I could be commuting from the concrete jungle andhunting the place right next door to you, and *gasp* shoot a deer that runs 3 feet over your property line and keels over, and I would have the audacity and ignoranceto *gasp* reach over there and retrieve it.[:-]

Oh the humanity!

---this criminal act is obviously theless ethicalalternative to Jim, Frank and Germ's proposed method - leaving it rot.

These city folk are just plain awful. No regard for anyone else! I really don't know how I can sleep at night. LMAO
The best part is how every day I enjoy a life in the outdoors and that you will never climb above your miserable life in the concrete jungle.

I hope you enjoy yourself absorbedexistence while breathing the stench filled air your neighborspollute with rotting garbage and whining kids.

It will be only in your dreams that you are able to hunt anywhere near me and it will be in that same dream you will bag your first deer. Only to have it run and die on the transit authority train tracks that boarder your wilderness.[]


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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:03 PM
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I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
Bruce that is not true.
It is still private property

Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?

What is the difference between your land around my house andmy 300 acers?

If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?
I did say that they were both a crime but they were not the same in seriousness. If I were to cross a remote corner of your 300 acre property you can't tell that that would be as serious as going through your front door and out your back door to get somewhere. It is like the speeding analogy: Is going 65 in a 55 as bad as going 125 in a 55? They are both wrong butwhat would you rather be caught doing?

To say crossing a remote corner of your 300 acre property is like walking in your living room is a bad comparative example and takes away from the reasonableness of an argument. It becomes emotional and not logical.
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:03 PM
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LC....I've never had to put myself in that situation. Like I said....if it were an issue, here....I'd change wher ei hunted. Also...if it makes it that far(if you're hunting a responsible distance from a point where you KNOW you can't retrieve it).....I didn't do something right.

As long as I hunt NC, though......non-issue.
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:06 PM
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I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
Bruce that is not true.
It is still private property

Would you like a guy standing in the corner of your lawn?

What is the difference between your land around my house andmy 300 acers?

If someone has more land it makes it less of a crime?
I did say that they were both a crime but they were not the same in seriousness. If I were to cross a remote corner of your 300 acre property you can't tell that that would be as serious as going through your front door and out your back door to get somewhere. It is like the speeding analogy: Is going 65 in a 55 as bad as going 125 in a 55? They are both wrong butwhat would you rather be caught doing?

To say crossing a remote corner of your 300 acre property is like walking in your living room is a bad comparative example and takes away from the reasonableness of an argument. It becomes emotional and not logical.
Sorry but I disagree, tresspassing is tresspassing, I am talking outside like BJ was.

What if someone walked up to your house and started drinking from your water spicket
He is talking outside.
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:09 PM
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[&o] I would cry LC and kick myself senseless.
LOL I'd be figuring out some way to get it. If I couldn't set foot on the land, I'd be grabbing some rope and lassoing those antlers. I'd think of something.

Too off topic, too......sorry.
I know it was a stretch, but I don't think it was "too" off topic. It's just sort of the reverse of what you described. You're right, it would be a good way to get killed, but I'd be right in there after the police were called.
Anyway, you sure stirred up a good pot on this one!
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:10 PM
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I would like to say that while someone walking into your house and someone walking on a corner of your 50 acre property are both trespassing (although one may be breaking and entering, at least in my state)they are not remotely near the same thing and some of these comparisons should remain in the realm of reasonable. Rediculous comparisons can actually take away from the reasonableness of an argument.
No, they are not different. They are the exact same. My home includes my land. The fact that you see no difference does not make it right. If someone has a 6,000 square foot house, does that make it more acceptable to wonder on inside compared to a 1500 square foot house?

GMMAT is correct. The sense of entitlement here is beginning to make me sick. You are not entitled to anything that you do not get for yourself. Take some personal responsibility. If you want to be able to be on land whenever you want, then go buy some or go to public lands. You are not entitled to what is mine simply because I have more than you. There are many on here that have more money than I do. Do you see me telling them that they owe me money because they have so much?
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Old 05-16-2007 | 02:11 PM
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I do believe that I am legally entitled to enter and retrieve my deer.I could make a very colorable argument as to precisely why, too. (see Pierson v. Post for deer ownership).

Sorry if "entitlement" bothers you, but I believe that I am legally privileged to enter and recover. Sorry, but I have a valid base for that opinion, and I would be prepared to put it to the test. There are plenty of other situations where individuals are legally permitted (or"entitled," as you call it)to enter private property,at the landowner's behest,and this is just another one of those situations.

Specifically, I think you could make a good argument for implied privilege(trespass defense)based on a theory of public necessity - thepotential waste of mypersonal property that became mislaid upon your property through no fault of my own (wounded on my landand ranacross the fenceto expire).

...good luck finding a judge or DA who would prosecute a guy for recovering his deer in lieu of letting it rot to pieces.


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