A road kill animal if it can be salvaged is the same as the deer you arrowed last night and waited till the next day to track. Meat is meat as far as I am concerned unless it is wasted. Do I feel it is a shame that someone hit it with a vehicle rather than me getting a shot at it. No. I think it is a shame if the meat is wasted whether roadkill or lost deer from poor shot, tracking too quick ect..

I live in a state where I would have to say roughly 45 to 50% of land is leased by hunting clubs, the rest is either private/leased or private and public land. I have access to 20 acres of my own private land and it is totally surrounded by hunting clubs. These guys placed stands on all four sides/corners of my land right on the property lines. They have over 1000 acres surrounding my land, yet they choose to pressure me and the deer on my property. Do you think I would share a stand with people of this caliber? Hell no. I scout my land, hang my on stands, ect, ect.. If one of my "friends" wanted to hunt one of these stands, yes I would allow it. If someone else who I knew could not afford a hunting lease wanted to hunt with me, fine. Am I going to let either get off without doing any work like dragging the deer, skinning, processing, or sharing the meat? Hell no. I did them a favor, and I expect some sort of gratitude in return. Nothing in this world is free.

As for the statements about free-loading bums wanting everything handed to them for nothing, I agree. I simply can not stand the fact that some people live off of me and the other working people of this world. If you are able, then you should do. If you are not then I don't mind helping. A gift is one thing, an able body wanting something for nothing is another.

Atlas, have you looked at the stats of private hunting clubs in the U.S. lately? Do you realize these people are employing this strategy, though not so much on an individual basis. Now, why should we single Don out for his hard work at aquiring land to hunt, while these people only have to pay the lease while others less fortunate have to find another place to hunt. It's all around me here. I don't know how it is for others.

Just my 2c.

LT

Guys like you would be playing golf ..... but only if someone else picked you up and drove you to the golf course


Oh and by the way, besides the very small tract of land that I own and hunt, I also hunt 6 other properties by asking permission from other landowners. (every other human being on planet earth has the same chance toask these same landowners for hunting permission) Am I to dictate to them who hunts their land? It is their choice to allow or deny others permission to hunt, not mine. I just make an effort to seek out those landowners who normally dont allow hunting and then try to gain access by prooving that I am a responsible and ethical hunter AND by remembering these folks by offering help to them in whatever form I see that they might need.

Maybe the next time I try to access one of these places I should say "Hello Mr Smith. My name is Don Higgins I would like the priveledge of hunting your property and I would also like to have other hunters come by and hunt from my stands on the days that I am not here. I am not sure yet who they will be but it will be the kind of people who dont put out any effort to stop by on their own or hang their own stands. They would probably stop by and ask personally but every Tuesday that have to file for unemployment and on Fridays they get their check in the mail and go to the bank so they are really busy. I know you are really particular about your property Mr Smith so I will only tell a few people about it."

You call it "selfish", I call it "lazy"

It is that way with any many things in life. There will always be people that are thatway. You find out many times who your friends/family really are when money, land, bucks, etc are involved. I read in a bowhunting magazine how 2 life long friends became enemies over a buck they both shot. Mind u, that deer was a record deer. Now they have tossed their freindship in the trash. I wonder how important that deer will be when they pass away. In my business, I see too many people die unexpectedly, shortened lives; the material things we have really, really don't matter. Remember, all leave this earth the same way, with nothing. All are equal then.

Yea Don...............we know, everyone but you is a lazy freeloader

"Guys like you".....................how funny it is that someone who tries to make money off other hunters has such a low opinion of them in general.

I'll tell you what you have a better chance of happening........other people with more money then you will just start buying up the hunting rights to land if they can't find any on their own.........what will your answer be to that??.........I guess then YOU will be considered the lazy one for not making enough money to compete


You and everyone else..............even all us lazy hunters


Not only do you continue to totally miss the point but your general outlook and opinion of other hunters in general is nothing short of disgraceful.


Exactly my point............I am trying to encourage inner reflection and all you have done is turn that around into yet another opportunity to tell everyone how lazy they are and what is wrong with THEM.

Says a lot.

Are hunters selfish? Yes. Are hunters generous? Yes. Honest? Yes. Dishonest? Yes. lazy, ambitious, rude, polite...? Yes, yes, yes yes... We're all human and display the entire spectrum of good and bad attributes. Trying to pidgeon hole us is imo a waste of time not to mention kind of silly. I think what we're all talking about here basically is character and ones character reaches into everything we do. Hunting, golf or tiddlywinks, it doesn't matter. If you are a selfish person, then that's what you are. If you hunt, wellthat's just something you do.

How do you Don, go about that

Do you do this if they don't offer thier property to you or just if they do?
Serious questions, not attact questions.

Isnt it funny how Altas wants to turnmy opinion of himinto my opinion of everyone else. The fact is that Sylvan hit the nail on the head. Hunters as a group reflect every descriptive word; but not as individuals. I am far from the only hunter making the effort to gain hunting permission or hang stands. Why should all of us thousands of "selfish" hunters be doing the work for the "lazy" hunters? I conciously try to avoid puting myself on a pedastal, yet Atlas tries to alienate me from others that way to gain support for his lame position on many issues. ATLAS, ALL HUNTERS ARENT LAZY BUT THOSE WHO ARE DONT DESERVE TO HAVE OTHERS DO THEIR WORK FOR THEM. If someone WANTS to share a stand or hunting area with family and friends that is great but if they dont that doesnt make them selfish.

Rickmur, I sent you a PM

Just thought the definition would be in order at this point.

I agree with this way of thinking....this "outlook" (if you will), Don. There's always two ways to look at things....and your phiosophy mirrors mine.

I also liked what Rob/PA wrote.....as I've remembered something we discussed, once (THIS topic). Rob once told me that he would share his hunting woods with ANYONE.......who hunted like HE does. Now I know enough about him to understand he's sincere. He put a fellow board member on a buck just this Fall in his best stands...and was ELATED when that member scored (and for another team!!). I've told Rob that NO DEER was "off limits" when he hunts "my" woods.....and I meant it. I'd be AS excited if HE posted photos of "the bull" (a buck I have my eye on)when he hunts here, this Fall. He's got first crack at a big Tom this weekend, HERE. I'll take my bow and employ my best "JAKEinator" impression....if the situation calls for it. he's driving 8 hours to enjoy my hunting properties.....and I HOPE he scores. I'll have other opportunities.

But Rob hunts like I do. ANY OF YOU that I respect as being ethical, hard-working, law-abiding hunters....who respect your quarry.....are ABSOLUTELY welcome to 'share' a blind or tract of land with me. I'd be pulling for ya.

Atlas....this IS a good post.