I don't care if it's a buck, doe, skunk or ground hog, NO animal deserves to get hit by a vehicle, for me, it's simply sad regardless or rack or lack there of.

Exactly what I said but thought more about it, then opened it to read more.

Exactly

I'd hate to single out hunters as selfish, no more or less than any other community on the planet today. Today the world is selfish, it's a ME oriented philosophy anymore. The world lacks respect, common courtesy, politeness and an all around sense of neighborly attitude. AS A WHOLE, because there are many exceptions. We certainly don't need to single it down to "hunters".

One of the most selfish "people" in the world today are PETA. I know there are some very meaningful individuals that belong to PETA that are misguided but PETA is selfish in the respect that they care nothing for the animals but simply the agenda and the money behind the agenda.

But alas atlasman, many in the hunting industry are very selfish, or perhaps we could use the term competitive, jealous or simply rude. As a whole I'd like to think we are a great group of people but the more I read of treestands being stolen, game cameras being stolen, trespassers (actually posting property could be considered selfish but necessary), animals being taken away from the rightful shooter etc, it's becoming harder and harder to see ourselves as a great bunch of brothers and sisters but that's the way of the world today. I see here on HNI as I've been here longer than most (NOT ALL) but most. This was a very close tight community at one time, today it seems it's at odds with itself and many of you have seen the change as well.

I look at this way, even with deer, mice or people, too many of any one species in one area will always result in conflict and deaths. Deer will kill each other to compete for food and mating, is man any different. We alone have the "mentality" to know right from wrong, we need to remember to have common courtesy.

That's a tried and true conversation in many areas, is it selfish or competitive?

I gladly give my stands up to my "friends" who I know will do the right things and return the same common courtesy. Obviously we cannot do this for everyone or that "spot" no longer exists as is. Matt/PA is coming the first 3 days of spring gobbler to hopefully take one of "my" gobblers. I'm hoping to get him his first before I fill my 2 tags.

I've had Matt in a couple of my best deer stands. I put Q2INWHITETAILS in front of his first buck in years, GMMAT had put me in one of his best deer locations and now in his turkey blind, I have hunts scheduled with others as well where we can share the stands, woods, comoradories etc.. There are a ton of selfish people in the world, some are hunters and we see that in the hunting industry, some are antihunters, non hunters, professional athletes, the guy down the street.

We also see some very generous and nonselfish acts in the hunting industry as well. We don't need to only point out the negative. We see outfitters donating hunts to the less fortunate, disabled, kids etc...we see our own members here send money to a total "stranger" to buy a Christmas present for another "stranger" here because of his comical post, antler necklaces and respect. (sending money to me to buy Cardeers camera). We see members here donate equipment to other hunters, a member who spent his money to send us all DVD's of the contest, members returning the favor and sending product, HNI sending out free product, prayers being asked for and sent, get togethers, friendships, shared hunts, money, etc......We mostly here of the negative, let's remember the positives too.

Thank you for that Tony!

I just read your reply ..... great minds think alike .... now we just gotta find some ...[8D]

Good replys Preacher and Rob.

All this gloom and doom of hunting, I just don't see it. Me and my buddies are have the time of our lives!!

Are hunters selfish? I'd say no more than our society at large. It IS the Me Generation, after all.

You guys are right in that the hunting community is a reflection of todays society in general. HOWEVER ..... this topic is ridiculous. Someone thinks that because someone else is not sitting in their treestand that they should be welcomed to it???? or someone got permission on a tract of hunting land so all their buddies should also get the free invite???? Sounds like left-wing liberal thinking to me. What about the efforts and work that a hunter puts into gaining permission and hanging stands not to mention time spent preparing and money spent buying the stands. I guess those hunters with the gumption to get off their butts and prepare to succeed should just let the lazy faction ofthe hunting community help themselves to our efforts ........ isn't this sorta like the lazy-arse unemployed and illegal immigrants liiving off the working mans wages??????? yep, the hunting community is also feeling the results of a society that is turning left-wing liberal!

If this thread was started by a hard working patriotic American hunter it would be titled "ARE HUNTERS LAZY?" and revealed how lazy hunters want to take advantage of others work and efforts!!!!

You are a real piece of work Don.................and you have managed to do exactly what I have seen you repeatedly gripe about over the last few days.

TOTALLY miss the point.

Are you willing to share your paycheck with people who are too lazy to get a job? How selfish of you!

Simple answer, yes. Probably no more than most otherpeople but definitely yes. Certainly not all and that is what is important. I like the posts from Rob and PT. I have seen all kinds of jealousy and selfishness in hunting but choose to focus more on the good aspects or people. I have hunted with lots of different hunters over the years and realistically there are only a handful that I still hunt with regularily because they were more aboutenjoying the hunt and our time afield thanbeing competitive(even though we definitely still compete, there is a friendly comradery to it and a genuine excitement and happinessforwhoever scored). We learn from each others mistakes and can't wait to get back to camp to relay our sightings/stories.We enjoy taking new people out(young or old) and have found that a good way to find hunters that huntlike us is to mentor new ones and try to instill some of the older hunting traditions into them.

Not even close to the same thing.........wow, you are on a roll

I love how you assume the worst about all other hunters.........everyone else but you is lazy, makes excuses, and has no willpower I guess


Let me ask you something Don..........what would hunting be like if even 1/2 of the guys out there employed your strategy of hording hundreds or thousands of acres of land to hunt and shared it with no one else??