Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
11-24-2002 | 07:07 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
I got to get my opinions in on this as I've been involved in the crossbow issue here in NY. First let me say I have absolutley nothing against the crossbow in itself. But I'm ABSOLUTELY against the introduction of the crossbow into any archery season. The crossbow simply put ISN"T a bow. Its shoulder held on a rifle rest. Its always cocked, and loaded ready to fire, it can be equipped with optics equal to guns, it shoots bolts not arrows, they are easier to shoot than a compound or recurve, long bow I don't care what anyone says. I've shot them, and so have friends of mine. They are easier to shoot more consistantly than any type of bow, and best of all they make the perfect night poaching weapon!
Now let me do point out I don't have a problem with physically challenged persons that are not capably of using a bow to be allowed to hunt with a crossbow, and I wouldn't be opposed to crossbow's having their own hunting season. But I will not agree to the legalization of crossbows during archery only seasons,period!
Now let me do point out I don't have a problem with physically challenged persons that are not capably of using a bow to be allowed to hunt with a crossbow, and I wouldn't be opposed to crossbow's having their own hunting season. But I will not agree to the legalization of crossbows during archery only seasons,period!
11-24-2002 | 07:25 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: Altmar New York USA
RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
Oh 1 more thing to add, and maybe any Ohio residents can help with this one if haven't alreadly. The statistics I read on Ohio once the crossbow was legalized into their archery seasons. Deer are being killed more by crossbows then any archery equipment, and that stat is rising. I don't know about many of you, but I surely don't want to be sitting in my treestand with my archery equipment whether be a compound or recurve, and have another guy in the woods not far from me using a crossbow!
11-24-2002 | 08:13 PM
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
"arrowsmit - A popular opinion,..."
...huh? Shooting a x-gun more closely resembles firing a rifle than shooting any type of bow, and they shoot bolts, not arrows. That's fact, not opinion.
"however, is the seperation of archery equipment then all about the mechanics of the weapon ?"
Who's trying to separate archery equipment?
"A crossbow is used under 25 yards..."
Where do you get this stuff? Wake up Toto..you're not in Kansas anymore.
...huh? Shooting a x-gun more closely resembles firing a rifle than shooting any type of bow, and they shoot bolts, not arrows. That's fact, not opinion.
"however, is the seperation of archery equipment then all about the mechanics of the weapon ?"
Who's trying to separate archery equipment?
"A crossbow is used under 25 yards..."
Where do you get this stuff? Wake up Toto..you're not in Kansas anymore.
11-25-2002 | 08:10 AM
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
A spear is harder to use the a recurve!
If every bowhunter had to use a recurve then there would be a lot of deer running around with arrows stuck in them.
Just a thought.
GOD HAS BLESSED AMERICA!
If every bowhunter had to use a recurve then there would be a lot of deer running around with arrows stuck in them.
Just a thought.
GOD HAS BLESSED AMERICA!
11-25-2002 | 08:47 AM
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
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AK,
You'd better save that. In another month when old SC starts another one of these threads, somewhere, he'll forget every word you just said and cry when you won't humor him again.
BTW, facts and common sense won't work with him either. He'll just chase that old tail again. Case in point...
<font color=red>"...Arkansas is 5 months, liberal bag limit with does, the woods are never crowded and we allow crossbows, have for over 30 years I believe."</font id=red>
30 years? LOL!!! This guy wants to discuss "facts" and doesn't even know the "facts" about his own state? This is toooooo funny. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Hint: Ohio was the first state to allow crossguns carte blanc in archery seasons, and that was LESS THAN 30 years ago. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
Good grief, he really needs to do his homework next time. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
JRW
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And I get accused of "reverting to name calling" (which btw , I'd like you to point out where I reverted to name calling)
You've still contributed nothing to this post , other than letting everyone know your against "crossguns"(<Your term). Slick Willy would be proud of your dance moves.
Take a good look at what you just did in your above quote! There may not have been any name calling , but you went out of your way to make him appear stupid.
Still waiting for an honest answer slick!
Edited by - bowfanatic on 11/25/2002 09:49:31
AK,
You'd better save that. In another month when old SC starts another one of these threads, somewhere, he'll forget every word you just said and cry when you won't humor him again.
BTW, facts and common sense won't work with him either. He'll just chase that old tail again. Case in point...
<font color=red>"...Arkansas is 5 months, liberal bag limit with does, the woods are never crowded and we allow crossbows, have for over 30 years I believe."</font id=red>
30 years? LOL!!! This guy wants to discuss "facts" and doesn't even know the "facts" about his own state? This is toooooo funny. <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
Hint: Ohio was the first state to allow crossguns carte blanc in archery seasons, and that was LESS THAN 30 years ago. <img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle>
Good grief, he really needs to do his homework next time. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>
JRW
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And I get accused of "reverting to name calling" (which btw , I'd like you to point out where I reverted to name calling)
You've still contributed nothing to this post , other than letting everyone know your against "crossguns"(<Your term). Slick Willy would be proud of your dance moves.
Take a good look at what you just did in your above quote! There may not have been any name calling , but you went out of your way to make him appear stupid.
Still waiting for an honest answer slick!
Edited by - bowfanatic on 11/25/2002 09:49:31
11-25-2002 | 09:30 AM
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
litework -
" The differences between a crossbow and compound/traditional archery are great. The differences between traditional archery and compound archery are minute when comparing the vast differences of the crossbow and compound/traditional bows. "
Please list ALL those similarities and differences and I think you'll see something different.
BuckAlley " The crossbow simply put ISN"T a bow. Its shoulder held on a rifle rest."
Define a bow please. Websters says ..
Bow:
2 : a weapon that is made of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent and that is used to propel an arrow
Arrow :
1 : a missile weapon shot from a bow and usually having a slender shaft, a pointed head, and feathers at the butt
Bolt :
1 a : a shaft or missile designed to be shot from a crossbow or catapult; especially : a short stout usually blunt-headed arrow
By those defintions, a crossbow, compound, longbow and recurve all are bows.
" Its always cocked, and loaded ready to fire, it can be equipped with optics equal to guns, it shoots bolts not arrows, they are easier to shoot than a compound or recurve, long bow I don't care what anyone says."
Not caring what anyone else says does not make it true, does it ? I just proved a bolt is an arrow and a crossbow IS by defintion a bow. Optics ? Compounds can be and are equipped with scopes. Easier to shoot ? How much easier can it get than the guy I first mentioned ? Never had shot a compound and put 4 arrows in a 4" circle at 20 yards ??
" I've shot them, and so have friends of mine. They are easier to shoot more consistantly than any type of bow, and best of all they make the perfect night poaching weapon! "
I owned a Barnett and a Horton at one time. I don't care for them because they are loud, heavy, aint fun to shoot and I found them LESS accurate than a compound. Easier to use ? Again, how easy compared to what and how accurate compared to what ? As for the poaching ... thats a crock. Blame the poachers, not the weapons they chooce to use. With that mentality lets ban all handguns and crime will go away, right ?
JRW - Ohio in 1976, right ? Arkansas made statewide crossbows legal in archery season about 1982 according to Mike Cartwirght at the Calico Rock Regional AG&F office. He said that crossbows were legal in some zones as early as 1950. According to the below website crossbows were legal more than 30 years ago.
http://www.times-news.com/outdoor/outd149.htm
Furthermore, this piece says
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/n...353380,00.html
... " But the biggest news came from Georgia, which became the first state in nearly 25 years to legalize crossbows for non-handicapped persons during the archery season, thus joining Arkansas, Wyoming and Ohio as the only states that currently recognize crossbows as bowhunting gear. " meaning Arkansas has had legal crossbows for at least 25 years.
So with that in mind, please give me the website you get YOUR information at and tell me when Arkansas had legal crossbows ? If I am wrong I will edit and admit it, I got no problem with that. I see you haven't edited your posts nor have admitted being wrong though, isn't that funny ?
BuckAlley "
I don't know about many of you, but I surely don't want to be sitting in my treestand with my archery equipment whether be a compound or recurve, and have another guy in the woods not far from me using a crossbow!"
Why ? I hunt during rifle season with a bow, no problems, why would a crossbow be any different ?
arrowsmit - " ...huh? Shooting a x-gun more closely resembles firing a rifle than shooting any type of bow, and they shoot bolts, not arrows. That's fact, not opinion."
Lets see, a crossbow has a release, a compound has a release, a crossbow has sights, a compound has sights, a crossbow is geld full draw, a compound can be held for several minutes, a crossbows gets 250-300 fps, a compound gets 250-300+ fps .... what were we comparing again ??
See above defintions for arrows and bolts, crossbows shoot arrows, arrows ARE bolts.
Arnie - " is shooting a crossbow an advantage ?
Why seperate them from archery season without also seperating compounds ??"
Excellent question. I think its a small advantage, sights, high letoffs, one cams, mechnical releases, carbon arrows, expandable broadheads ... THOSE give more advantages altogether,
I watched a Real Tree video last night and that Wadell fellow drew and held a very long time on a bear before getting the shot. Remember the Primos Elk video this year ? The guy held a LONG time on an elk looking at him and the moment the bull turned the guy shot. No way a longbow/recurve shooter could have made that shot.
<font color=red>JoeMagee -" If every bowhunter had to use a recurve then there would be a lot of deer running around with arrows stuck in them.
Just a thought."
That thought is based on what ? Seriously, are you suggesting trad shooters would/miss more animals per bow than compound shooters ?</font id=red>
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" The differences between a crossbow and compound/traditional archery are great. The differences between traditional archery and compound archery are minute when comparing the vast differences of the crossbow and compound/traditional bows. "
Please list ALL those similarities and differences and I think you'll see something different.
BuckAlley " The crossbow simply put ISN"T a bow. Its shoulder held on a rifle rest."
Define a bow please. Websters says ..
Bow:
2 : a weapon that is made of a strip of flexible material (as wood) with a cord connecting the two ends and holding the strip bent and that is used to propel an arrow
Arrow :
1 : a missile weapon shot from a bow and usually having a slender shaft, a pointed head, and feathers at the butt
Bolt :
1 a : a shaft or missile designed to be shot from a crossbow or catapult; especially : a short stout usually blunt-headed arrow
By those defintions, a crossbow, compound, longbow and recurve all are bows.
" Its always cocked, and loaded ready to fire, it can be equipped with optics equal to guns, it shoots bolts not arrows, they are easier to shoot than a compound or recurve, long bow I don't care what anyone says."
Not caring what anyone else says does not make it true, does it ? I just proved a bolt is an arrow and a crossbow IS by defintion a bow. Optics ? Compounds can be and are equipped with scopes. Easier to shoot ? How much easier can it get than the guy I first mentioned ? Never had shot a compound and put 4 arrows in a 4" circle at 20 yards ??
" I've shot them, and so have friends of mine. They are easier to shoot more consistantly than any type of bow, and best of all they make the perfect night poaching weapon! "
I owned a Barnett and a Horton at one time. I don't care for them because they are loud, heavy, aint fun to shoot and I found them LESS accurate than a compound. Easier to use ? Again, how easy compared to what and how accurate compared to what ? As for the poaching ... thats a crock. Blame the poachers, not the weapons they chooce to use. With that mentality lets ban all handguns and crime will go away, right ?
JRW - Ohio in 1976, right ? Arkansas made statewide crossbows legal in archery season about 1982 according to Mike Cartwirght at the Calico Rock Regional AG&F office. He said that crossbows were legal in some zones as early as 1950. According to the below website crossbows were legal more than 30 years ago.
http://www.times-news.com/outdoor/outd149.htm
Furthermore, this piece says
http://www.outdoorlife.com/outdoor/n...353380,00.html
... " But the biggest news came from Georgia, which became the first state in nearly 25 years to legalize crossbows for non-handicapped persons during the archery season, thus joining Arkansas, Wyoming and Ohio as the only states that currently recognize crossbows as bowhunting gear. " meaning Arkansas has had legal crossbows for at least 25 years.
So with that in mind, please give me the website you get YOUR information at and tell me when Arkansas had legal crossbows ? If I am wrong I will edit and admit it, I got no problem with that. I see you haven't edited your posts nor have admitted being wrong though, isn't that funny ?
BuckAlley "
I don't know about many of you, but I surely don't want to be sitting in my treestand with my archery equipment whether be a compound or recurve, and have another guy in the woods not far from me using a crossbow!"
Why ? I hunt during rifle season with a bow, no problems, why would a crossbow be any different ?
arrowsmit - " ...huh? Shooting a x-gun more closely resembles firing a rifle than shooting any type of bow, and they shoot bolts, not arrows. That's fact, not opinion."
Lets see, a crossbow has a release, a compound has a release, a crossbow has sights, a compound has sights, a crossbow is geld full draw, a compound can be held for several minutes, a crossbows gets 250-300 fps, a compound gets 250-300+ fps .... what were we comparing again ??
See above defintions for arrows and bolts, crossbows shoot arrows, arrows ARE bolts.
Arnie - " is shooting a crossbow an advantage ?
Why seperate them from archery season without also seperating compounds ??"
Excellent question. I think its a small advantage, sights, high letoffs, one cams, mechnical releases, carbon arrows, expandable broadheads ... THOSE give more advantages altogether,
I watched a Real Tree video last night and that Wadell fellow drew and held a very long time on a bear before getting the shot. Remember the Primos Elk video this year ? The guy held a LONG time on an elk looking at him and the moment the bull turned the guy shot. No way a longbow/recurve shooter could have made that shot.
<font color=red>JoeMagee -" If every bowhunter had to use a recurve then there would be a lot of deer running around with arrows stuck in them.
Just a thought."
That thought is based on what ? Seriously, are you suggesting trad shooters would/miss more animals per bow than compound shooters ?</font id=red>
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11-25-2002 | 09:39 AM
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RE: Ban compounds from archery season - thoughts ??
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>That thought is based on what ? Seriously, are you suggesting trad shooters would/miss more animals per bow than compound shooters ? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>
You posted on here about all the misses you and your frinds have experienced,right? Me and my buddies all shoot compounds and we haven't missed 1/10 as much as what you posted.
You posted on here about all the misses you and your frinds have experienced,right? Me and my buddies all shoot compounds and we haven't missed 1/10 as much as what you posted.