6ptsika

Yeah, his buddies and him were what, 1 for 19? Those kind of hunters shouldn't be in the woods, period.
Very poor shots, regardless of the weapon.
I still submit trad bows are easier, because they add a precious few minute of daylight to the shooter, and that buck you can make out at first light, but can't see your sights through the peep, is a dead buck with a recurve or longbow. That is if you can shoot them accurately. <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;

stealthycat

&quot; You posted on here about all the misses you and your frinds have experienced,right? Me and my buddies all shoot compounds and we haven't missed 1/10 as much as what you posted.&quot;

Charlie P - So are you agreeing that Trad shooters miss more/wound more ? Just wanting clarification.


6ptsika - Same question to you.


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<font color=red>&quot;Trad basher ? Explain that one or edit it please, as it again follows what you consider to be the defintion of a LIE.&quot;</font id=red>

<font color=red>&quot;Charlie P - So are you agreeing that Trad shooters miss more/wound more ? Just wanting clarification.&quot;</font id=red>

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litework

The differences are not voluminous, but the significance is the importance of the differences.

Diffences: A crossbow can be shoulder mounted or steadied with bipod, sandbag, or rifle rest (huge difference--and this fact alone makes crossbows unappealing to me). The anchor point on a crossbow will not change drastically if topped with a scope; the scope helps the shooter find the proper anchor. The crossbow is loaded prior to entering the woods. The operator doesn't even have to draw his own weapon (a huge difference--another reason why crossbows are unappealing to me).

I don't see any similarities between a crossbow and a compound/traditional bow. I have limbs and I can launch an arrow...does that make me archery equipment? Maybe we should have a litework season.

Differences between a magnum rifle and a .30-.30: Scope on a magnum, 3 times the range, bolt action promotes greater accuracy, more energy transferred to the game...we could make a strong point for having a seperate season for these more &quot;traditional&quot; cartridge firing weapons. Three seperate seasons is all we need. I wouldn't be against one season, if safety wasn't a huge issue.

6ptsika

sc, I never said trad shooters miss and wound a higher percentage of game animals, just you and your friends.
Why would you ask me a question about a statement I never made?

Do you agree trad bows are easier to kill game with because they allow quicker shots and longer hunting days due to being able to shoot in low light conditions?
Just wanted clariffication.
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&quot;In heaven, even the fish have antlers&quot;

Charlie P

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Charlie P - So are you agreeing that Trad shooters miss more/wound more? Just wanting clarification. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I only know one guy that hunts with traditional equipment and he doesn't miss much.

You stated <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> I hunt with a guy who switched to a BW recurve 7 years ago and is 0 for 5, buddy of mine in TX is like 1 for 12 with a couple of hits not recovered quick enough. I read the LW and this site a lot, I KNOW what I am reading and the difficulty of shooting a longbow/recurve. My buddy in KS, he's 0 for 3 on shooting at whitetails with his longbow. I read time and again the &quot;self imposed&quot; 20 yards limits people who shoot with a longbow/recurve have. <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

That's alot of missing and wounding as far as I'm concerned.Your not trying to show why Trad equipment should be banned are you?<img src=icon_smile_clown.gif border=0 align=middle> I'm not saying that all trad hunters wound or miss more then compound hunters just the group that of Trad. hunters that you hang around with compared with the guys I hang around with.

I'll be honest if I was 1 for 12 with a couple of lost animals I would hang that weapon up and not use it in the woods.I think I could do better then 1 for 12 dropping big rocks out of my tree stands.lol.

Charlie P

Here is one of your gems <BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> tell ya, if nothing else you WILL be a better hunter for it. Why ? The stand locations have to be more precise, better angles, more concealed I think. You WILL learn to focus or you'll blow every shot that comes your way. The focus is the part that amazed me. I never HAD to focus with a compound - put the pin where you want the arrow to go and release.
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The stand locations have to be more precise, better angles, more concealed I think. You have obviosly never seen my set ups before.I can't remember my last bow shot over 20 yards.

You WILL learn to focus or you'll blow every shot that comes your way. I am already focused. In the woods I turn into 100% predator.

I never HAD to focus with a compound - put the pin where you want the arrow to go and release.This is one of your main problems SC you think the way YOU do things or your experiences are the way it is.

I'm definately going to get set up with some trad. equipment and shoot it and see how tuff it really is.We shot old fiberglass recurves in highschool and I at least was hitting the target,without any real instruction.

Tell you what if I can get set up with some decent gear(money is really tight right now) I'll get good enough to hunt with it and kill a deer next season.If I don't I'll donate $50 dollars to your favorite charity.



Edited by - Charlie P on 11/25/2002 12:57:22

stealthycat

6ptsika - I asked a question for clarification, as you did. you asked

&quot; Do you agree trad bows are easier to kill game with because they allow quicker shots and longer hunting days due to being able to shoot in low light conditions?
Just wanted clariffication.&quot;

Quicker shots - I don't think thats a significant plus. As I look back on all the game I have killed drawing and holding has been a huge help where quick shooting a longbow/recurve would not have been. The low light condition shooting is a plus, however when it gets too dark to pick a spot its too dark, and I would say only a few minutes seperate that light from compounds being unable to see through their peeps. But that is a plus IMO.

Charlie P / 6ptsika - Would you also say that if I cannot shoot better than 0 for 2 I should quit and try something else ? How many misses before you think a change in equipment is neccessary ? IF you, by my hit/miss/kill stats think I should change equipment and convince me to do so, should I then try a compound or maybe a crossbow, or quit archery season altogether and stick with a rifle ?


&quot;Trad basher ? Explain that one or edit it please, as it again follows what you consider to be the defintion of a LIE.&quot;

&quot;Charlie P - So are you agreeing that Trad shooters miss more/wound more ? Just wanting clarification.&quot;

JRW

Did you read what I posted ? Reread it. I didn't bach trad archers, I was asking and exploring rationale and questioning. Oh, and I noticed that you yet again replied to none of the questions I posted. If you finding one misquote or pointing out that I am 5 years +/- on my crossbow legality dates are the only things about my arguments to point out, I guess that says volumes, doesn't it ?







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Charlie P

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote<font size=1 face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Would you also say that if I cannot shoot better than 0 for 2 I should quit and try something else ? How many misses before you think a change in equipment is neccessary ? IF you, by my hit/miss/kill stats think I should change equipment and convince me to do so, should I then try a compound or maybe a crossbow, or quit archery season altogether and stick with a rifle ? <hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face='Verdana, Arial, Helvetica' size=2 id=quote>

I really don't care what you do SC.You'll know when/if you should hang up your new toy.

Until then find some recipes for twigs.lol.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

If I was 1-12 with a couple woundings over several years I know I wouldn't be too confident when I was pulling back my bow.



Edited by - Charlie P on 11/25/2002 14:06:57

JRW

<font color=red>&quot;I didn't bach trad archers, I was asking and exploring rationale and questioning.&quot;</font id=red>

No, you were hoping that someone else agreed with your wounding-myth about trad shooters, as is evident by the fact that you pointed out how horrible your buddies are in the woods, and that you think they are the norm. <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

<font color=red>&quot;Oh, and I noticed that you yet again replied to none of the questions I posted.&quot;</font id=red>

Your &quot;questions&quot; are the same old tired, worn-out, over-played, don't-hold-no-water assumption that they always were. They've been debunked by several people, on this very thread, and numerous others on different sites where you've spewed the same misinformation.

You make a claim, it gets debunked, and a day or so later you're right back where you started (ex. accessories versus bows). And then you get huffy when folks won't go down that road again with you? <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>


I loved this one...<font color=red>&quot;Quicker shots - I don't think thats a significant plus. As I look back on all the game I have killed...&quot;</font id=red>

YOU have killed? You went to the Bowsite with that same story, and were met by person after person after person (some of whom have hunted more years that you've been alive) telling you story after story of how the quicker shots afforded them by trad gear was the determining factor on given hunts. And after that, here you come, disregarding everything else and substituting your personal experience for &quot;the way it is&quot;.

Amazing. And you wonder why I say you're chasing your tail? <img src=icon_smile_dissapprove.gif border=0 align=middle>

CharlieP said it best...&quot;This is one of your main problems SC you think the way YOU do things or your experiences are the way it is.

Until you get past that, it's all a waste of time...

JRW, aka &quot;Slick&quot; (still yawning)