Sorry but wasn't trying to insinuate anyone was bashing, just that I don't see the same numbers as others apparently say they do (not saying you don't have the problems either) and as Greg said it was brand bashing on AT. Loyalty wise I could care less, if there's a problem then these forums are a great place to figure/get a fix I feel. Is it possibly a pressing problem why your shop is seeing more problems?? I know this is one thing we decided right off to make sure we didn't get into trouble with and take more care there so hopefully that has helped us.

Wow...we got 3 of us posting at the same time........I'm gettin all confooselled......[&:] Which, by the way.....isn't difficult.

Anyway, I know Bowtech makes an awesome bow, no doubt about it. I'm not sure why we are seeing more of it at our shop.......shoot.....we don't even sell them, we just have a lot of people come in with one broke and want it fixed. Why they don't go back to where they bought it......I have NO idea, but they come to us. It could be a problem w/ wherever they are buying them from, I would suppose. We've just heard a lot about it lately there and I was just wondering. Like I said, I think they make a great bow and want to see them succeed.

I wouldn't know what goes on over at AT......I'm here only. Like it too much here to go elsewhere. Sounds like I'm not missing much, either.

Whew......hope all's ok now.....sorry if I misunderstood....

Oh, deer hunter...

Missed the last part of your question. BowTech per se doesn't make any single cam bows, but they do under their subsidiary company going by the name of Diamond. Look at www.diamondarchery.com , you'll find some VERY nice single cams there wearing the Diamond brand that were stalwarts in BowTech's stable just a couple years ago. My personal favorite is the Victory, which was known as the Patriot when in BowTech's lineup. For all intents and purposes, it's the exact same bow -- just won't set you back in the wallet as much.

bowtech rocks!!!

Mobo, what models is it that keeps showing up?

I'm not saying it hasn't happened, but Ihave yet to read a limb issue thread pertaining to the Tribute.
It's mostly the Allegiance that keeps popping up on the AT threads, but not tributes to my knowledge- yet.


My tribute hasn't moved since I initially set it up. It's like the strings & cable are made form steel.

BTW, if your considering the Victory- I own a Patriot & a Tribute and have them both set up with decent gear. I am equally accurate with both at this point in time. Kind of dissapointing as I hoped my groups would shrink with the newer bow, but that has yet to be the case. The Patriot is a touch quieter (both using STS) but this could be the sight on the Tribute making it the louder of the two.

WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAYIS you can't go wrong either way. (I like my Pat just as much as the Tribute)

Looks like the AT/Bowtechbashing virus is spreading.
Here's my experience. I wanted a new bow this spring so I tried all the top models I could get my hands on. I ended up testing Mathews, Hoyt and Bowtechs top models and felt they were all awsome. In my search i shopped at 5 different proshops in a 200 mile circle from my home ( I can do this easily as I am a traveling sales rep ). In speaking with the owners of these shops ( who all sold the top 3 ) not one could confirm the Bowtech limb problem. Every one claimed about a 2% failure rate for all 3 brands and collectively they sell literally thousands of bows every year, these are large dealerships. Also they quantified the limb failures by saying that 1/2 of them are owner related such as dropping them out of trees and dry fires. So, when you talk to people who make a living selling bows and who deal with the factories regularly and they look at you funny when you ask about Bowtech limb failures there comes a time when you just realize that the crap you read on the internet has to be taken in a little suspicion. If you like the features and feel of the Bowtech then buy it, its fine. If you prefer another make then get that one. They are all well made, sturdy and capable of way more accuracy than 90% of the people who own them. I personally prefer Bowtech for its features like adjustable draw curve, adjustable draw length and higher speeds. The old adage that slow bows are more accurate comes from the days of very large broadheads and glue on tips. Speed will never hurt you with a good bow. I'll climb down off my soap box now.

Terry,

Very well-written post -- and that's exactly what I was talking about by referring to those "in the business," and why I brought up Rack-Attack because I know his experiences of selling multiple lines mirror exactly those you described.

All I know is we see quite a few of them. I never thought my asking that question would have turned into a hijacked thread.

I repeat myself....I am not bashing bowtech in anyway, shape or form. I think they make a fantastic bow, no question. I have absolutely no idea what is being said over at AT as I am never there. I knew not of this "virus" you refer to.

I just know we see quite a few w/bad limbs, and the talk around the shop is it has been an ongoing problem the last few months.Apprently it's not a problem at all as the "people that are in the know," or at least the ones here, haven't encountered the problem. Good. I hope it's not a problem, I simply asked. One thing's for sure....all the "controversy" should be good for business.

OK, so, can we get back to the business of helping out deer hunter 21? I don't know enough of the specifics of their bows to speak intelligently. Greg, Dave, you guys obviously know more about Bowtech than I ever will. I would suppose that the dual cam, or "binary cam system" wouldn't take any more maintenance than any other hybrid cam.

edit: Dave, I think the biggest problem has been w/ the Allegiance, but to be totally honest, I haven't paid enough attention to specifically which one it is.

Geting back to the question about Binaries going out of time. As already said they are "slaved" together and come with top end ( 452x) factory strings & cables. They also have visual timing dots to monitor them. Not at al like in the old days of Dual cams. What they do have is level nock travel and higher than average speed. It should also be noted that messing with proper setups is trickier than a single cam bow and should be done methodically.

Guys,
I dont believe there is a major "limb problem" I get on AT all the time too but most of the people that post limb problems on there have one or two posts and no one has ever heard of them. When asked for any type of proof only a few people actually had any at all.

Every company out there has limb failures and I dont believe bowtech has any more than any other company. I asked a very reputable well known archery shop owner (who will remain nameless) He works on every kind of bow imaginable. This is what he said about bowtechs limbs:

There are lots of good bows out there. I personally prefer bowtech and then mathews. I just hate bad infomation.

rick