yea im w/ max the dog... i lost a real nice 8 ptr that im still sick over. it was a 20 yrd shot but the expandibles take all the power when they open up. My dad my uncle and me spent 3 days each 4+hours lookin but we couldnt find it then a weekor so later i went out a agin and got another 8 ptr that was right under my stand again w/ retractibles andit took us 3 days to find him these thing just dont get the penetration. next yr im goin back to fixed for good

I lost a nice doe shot withrocket expandables (not the same model in the pic). The deer was broadside at 20 yds and the arrow failed to penetrate adequately (less than8 inches) despite good placement.I went back to a fixed head.

They look as if they could really do some damage. But i dont think they could fly worth a darn. Seems you would pull out your hair trying to shoot a good group with those bad boys!