about 2 months ago i had tim farmer over to the house. he usually wins the western NC 3-d circuit. we shot a few from around 46 yards to get warmed up and then i backed him up to 71.5 yards and didn't tell him how far we were. it was my homecourt advantage and i thought i could take him, specially since i knew how far it was. i figured if i got 2 in the 10 ring of my target i'd have him. i mean he doesn't compete over 50 yards or so right. well, he picked a spot at the top of the target - something i would never do from that far out. he had 5 arrows. they all went in the 4 inch circle he was aiming at. all of them. i said 'good gosh tim'. he said he'd have a flier before too long. next round he shot an arrow 2.5" low from that distance and said 'there it is'. i said 'WHAT?'. he said 'my flier'. now, this was with his 3-d bow with the long stabilizer, but still, i have been completely humbled ever since. it most certainly can be done.

gibblet, it can probably be done, but to shoot 3 inch groups all the time at 80 is way above your typical ,andabove average archers. The guy that you spoke about has fliers too. If that kid could shoot 3 inch groups at 80 yards all the time and could repeat that at the next olympics, he would probably walk away with the gold.

I spend ALOT of time at a couple of pro shops and am all too used to the group emphasis issue that we are speaking about. I have yet to see most of the people shooting these micro groupsplace in the top 3 at most of the 3-D shoots around here. It kinda makes me laugh when they are claiming to shoot these micro groups at long yardages, and screw up courses where the furthest target was no more than 30-35 yards.

I agree whole heartedly with a previous post about doing it once in a while, and not all the time, this does not constitute shooting those groups on a regular basis. I have shot NFAA where the targets are out to over 100 yards. I have pinwheeled 80- and 90 yard targets. Does this mean that I pinwheel 80 and 90 yard targets? No . Just by adding or subtracting the ED on pinwheel in this case, changes the whole meaning of the sentence.

I hear this kind of talk all the time, and normally don't even get excited about it any more. Sounds to me likekid trying to fit in................If not, and he can shoot these groups, get him to the olympic tryouts., he will do very well.