200 yard shot?
#2
Fork Horn
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Auburn NY
Posts: 131
RE: 200 yard shot?
that all depends on the skill of the shooter... if the shooter has spent countless hours at the range...has a solid rest.... anything is possible. personaly speaking... i would try to keep my shots to a more comfertable range but that is just my opinion
#3
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blissfield MI USA
Posts: 5,293
RE: 200 yard shot?
I don't know, go shoot it at that range and see what happens. I personally think a heavier bullet would work better at that range, but you will never know until you try it. I use to use 300 grn XTPs out of my Remingtion. They worked great at 100 yards, 1 inch or under groups off the bench. However at 130 they started to open up and at 150 they were just not acceptable to me.
I switched to a 350 grn PR bullet and I get around 1 inch groups at 130 and 2 to 2.5 inch groups at 150. I can't shoot to 200 where I hunt so I have never tried them at that distance. For all I know they may fall apart and not be worth a darn at that distance. On the other hand I have a buddy that shoots a knight wolverine and his groups pretty well at 150 with the XTP's. Go figure?
The only way to know is to shoot your actual rifle with that load at the distance you intend on using it. Alot of people like to compare these to highpowered rifles, but they are not. I think they are more comparable to a modern rifled slug gun.
I personally think 200 yards is pushing it for a 240 grn pistol bullet any way. I'm sure it has been done though.
Paul
I switched to a 350 grn PR bullet and I get around 1 inch groups at 130 and 2 to 2.5 inch groups at 150. I can't shoot to 200 where I hunt so I have never tried them at that distance. For all I know they may fall apart and not be worth a darn at that distance. On the other hand I have a buddy that shoots a knight wolverine and his groups pretty well at 150 with the XTP's. Go figure?
The only way to know is to shoot your actual rifle with that load at the distance you intend on using it. Alot of people like to compare these to highpowered rifles, but they are not. I think they are more comparable to a modern rifled slug gun.
I personally think 200 yards is pushing it for a 240 grn pistol bullet any way. I'm sure it has been done though.
Paul
#4
Join Date: Sep 2003
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RE: 200 yard shot?
I'd try a different bullet. Generally speaking higher BC bullets group tighter at longer ranges v. 100 yds. That's been my experience anyway. I love platinum tips in my Knight extreme and although they shoot sub inch at 100 ydsthey will not group acceptably at 200 yds. In contrast, my T/C Omega will group 245 gr Spitfires sub inch at 100 yds and just under 2" at 200 yds. The Spitfires are higher BC than the PT's. That's just one example but most of my rangework confirms it.
#5
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2005
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RE: 200 yard shot?
Try it let us know. I spent a month last fall shooting 200 yards in preparation for a hunt to NW Oklahoma. My "pet" load is 130 gr Pyrodex and 250 gr Barnes Expander out of my Knight Extreme. I can consistently group 1" or under at 100 yards and have done it at 200. I can consistently group 1 1/2-2" at 200. I am considering trying a heavier bullet (300 gr Expander or SST)this year, but I really hate to quit on a load that has preformed flawlessly for me.
#6
RE: 200 yard shot?
Retrieverman - I wouldn't even mess with the 300 grain Barnes unless I was going for moose or grizzly. The 250 grain Barnesare very lethal for elk and deer, and tend to shoot a little better in all my guns than the 300. This one ain't broke, and it is doubtful it you will get anything else to shoot any better (although it might be fun to try ) Good luck. Roscoe
#7
Nontypical Buck
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RE: 200 yard shot?
Roskoe
Thanks for the heads up on the 300 gr bullets. I am trying 250 gr SST's this year and have not seen any difference in accuracy, but I am not sure about performance on a 300 lb deer. I do know the 250 gr Expander is a butt kicker. I killed 5 with it last year and only one took a step upon impact. I am already preparing for my Oklahoma trip but haven't started long range shooting yet. Would the SST or Expander be better for 150-225 yard kills?
Thanks for the heads up on the 300 gr bullets. I am trying 250 gr SST's this year and have not seen any difference in accuracy, but I am not sure about performance on a 300 lb deer. I do know the 250 gr Expander is a butt kicker. I killed 5 with it last year and only one took a step upon impact. I am already preparing for my Oklahoma trip but haven't started long range shooting yet. Would the SST or Expander be better for 150-225 yard kills?
#8
RE: 200 yard shot?
ORIGINAL: DeerSlayer53
Knight DISC .50 caliber (stainless steal) gun.Leupold Rifleman 3-9x40mm scope.110 grains of 777 pellets (1-50 & 2-30's). 240 grain T/C XTP's. Good for 200 yards?
Knight DISC .50 caliber (stainless steal) gun.Leupold Rifleman 3-9x40mm scope.110 grains of 777 pellets (1-50 & 2-30's). 240 grain T/C XTP's. Good for 200 yards?
I guess a trip to the range would be the judge of all that. If you can CONSISTANTLY group them at the range you want to shoot, then I think the bullet design would be lethal..
#9
RE: 200 yard shot?
Retrieverman:
The 250 grain SST is supposed to be a great deer bullet. And after a thread from a few days back involving the use of it on moose, it may be tough enough for bigger stuff as well. So far, I have only used the 300 grain SST/Shockwave and it worked pretty well on a big bull elk last September (see photo in profile) - although I still think the Barnes 250 Expander makes a bigger wound channel and really puts them on the ground in a hurry.
One of the interesing things about using the more aerodynamic SST was that I dropped my powder charge from 150 grains (three pellets) with the 250 Barnes down to 130 grains of pellets with the 250 Shockwave and, although the muzzle velocity was about 150 fps less, the 200 yard impact velocity was about the same. This load is real accurate in my 26" Black Diamond as well as my Omega. Might be worth a try in your gun . . . but you are likely never going to get a better shooting or more lethal load that what you are using now.
BTW - really nice deer. Did you get it scored?
The 250 grain SST is supposed to be a great deer bullet. And after a thread from a few days back involving the use of it on moose, it may be tough enough for bigger stuff as well. So far, I have only used the 300 grain SST/Shockwave and it worked pretty well on a big bull elk last September (see photo in profile) - although I still think the Barnes 250 Expander makes a bigger wound channel and really puts them on the ground in a hurry.
One of the interesing things about using the more aerodynamic SST was that I dropped my powder charge from 150 grains (three pellets) with the 250 Barnes down to 130 grains of pellets with the 250 Shockwave and, although the muzzle velocity was about 150 fps less, the 200 yard impact velocity was about the same. This load is real accurate in my 26" Black Diamond as well as my Omega. Might be worth a try in your gun . . . but you are likely never going to get a better shooting or more lethal load that what you are using now.
BTW - really nice deer. Did you get it scored?