I disagree entirely. You'd have to spend a lot more than that for a carbon arrow made as well as a xx78.

I think you really meant xx75.

And you are correct... out of those dozen carbons, you'll still get a few dogs.



I shoot ACCs and/or FMJs off my new Iron Mace. My back up bow is a Mathews LX, and I shoot 2213 XX75s with 5" feathers.

I have shot carbons, and still do for 3D. They are light, and they are fast and they are tough (for the most part). None of which I really care about when it comes to hunting. I want a good, heavy arrow with very consistant spine that will punch cleanly through a deer. I don't care if it gets bent all up after it goes through the deer because it has done its job. I don't give a hoot about spending money on good arrows, good broadheads or good ammunition in any of my hunting endeavors because that is the ONLY part of my equipment that acctually does the killing. I'm not going to spend all that time and money just to cut corners on what matters most. Give me a good straight aluminum with a super sharp Simmons Shark off a well tuned bow that I am comfortable with (I don't care who makes it or how much it costs or doesn't cost), and I'll be successful with it. Much more so than a super fast bow I cannot control with an arrow that is not spined correctly.

I was merely estimating ......I get my arrows from a dealer who is rep, so my guesses on prices ain't realistic.. I love the acc arrows, and the only reason I'm not hunting with them is because I still have 9 axis arrows left, and they are performing quite nicely for me as far as accuracy goes. How do you like FMJ/s?

See, I told you I could learn something. lol I agree that there are a lot of junk carbons out there, I've tried a lot of them. With my Easton Axis shafts, I have not seen what is being described here. I base my opinion on 1 dozen shafts that I bought 3 years ago and a half dozen 4 years ago. I stil have 8 left, the 10 missing,6 were stolen with the rest of my equiptment,3 were lost hunting, 2 broken hunting, both spine shots with complete broad head penatraion, both deer flopped to break the arrows. My favorite arrow has taken at least 6 deer, layed in the woods for 6 months after 1 deer, and recently shot into a brick. I can't get rid of these arrows,they've all been refletched at least a dozen times and they keep right on performing. None of the issues mentioned.
My bow hunting mentor is a good guy, fills his freezer every year. Maybe now with his new bow and arrows he'll be able to beat me at the range. He watched me get 6 deer my 1st year, he got 5. He's kind of a traditionalist, not the best shot but has prooven time and again that the old way works to fill the freezer. I have prooven to him time and time again that his way isn't the only way and I'm prabobly a bad influence on him.lol He's using a release now, got a new bow now, using carbon arrows now, put a whisker biscuit on his new bow (I had one, didn't like it), will be interesting to see what happens, think I've got to step up my game another notch again, lol
He took a look at my drop away and like a caveman shook his head and said "too many parts." lol He'll never trust my pendulum sight, he's been waiting 7 years to tell me he told me so as he struggled with different tree stand heights and distances picking the correct pin to use as I was stacking venison in the freezer.( I got him a range finder last year and welcomed him into the 21 century. He loves it) His old bow was lucky to chuck his aluminum arrows at 70 lbs draw, more than 200 FPS . His old bow, old string, was shooting rainbows. He still filled his freezer last season, and mine,(was my worst year ever) Should have seen his face when they offered him a whole $35 for his old bow!
So my mentor isn't the best thing since sliced bread. Just a good guy who I look up to as a fellow hunter. He saw that I liked to put powder burns on deer while gun hunting, was amazed at what I was doing with my single shot NEF 30-06 Handy rifle, knew I had A small village to feed, talked me into bow hunting and gave me a chance to try it. He liked permenant stands over bait, it since then has become illegal, we've made the transition and have grown to Be better hunters together. It's funny that he's now the one with speed freak equiptment. His new PSE bow is advertised at 350 fps. With that kind of speed he could fill his aluminum shafts with lead and be as fast or faster than my bow. I believe he's got the acc arrows too. Will be interesting to see if he ends up feeling just like you guys. After shooting my arrow into a brick, he must have figured the bigger the carbon the better. Not sure, he told me he got the full sized Easton carbons, didn't tell me which ones. I think the smaller diameter is the biggest carbon advantage and the qualaty control, .005 isn't enough to keep me off a 1" sticker dot target at 20 yards. By time I use up my Axis St's, they'll have something even better than the full metal jackets. If you like what you are using, keep using it, my mentor and I have prooven that the deer get dead either way as long as you are confident in what you are using.

I have bowhunting for 42 years I went to carbons when they frist came out afcs and bemen and so on. I have never look back. I still shot xx75,xx78 and x7 inside for target line cutters, but carbons for 3ds and out side target. Hunting I still to this day can't get over the way they preform in the field hunting. I never have had one brake in the bow not even the older ones. make sure you check them when you hit some thing hard grab the arrow on both ends and turn it and if it's soft don't shoot it. I have been shooting pass throughs on deer and Elk and pulling the arrow out of the ground for year's now, which I wasn't getting that all the time with xx75 and xx78 's. there have been year I have shot as many as 3 deer with the same carbon arrow. there has been times I have used The same arrows for two years of hunting with is very good for me because I shoot a lot of trees, rocks, bottles and things out stump shooting.

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Funny how aluminum won't shoot on today's bows huh? It magically became junk because it bends.




I don't understand this at all? I have a bear instinct and a matthews switchback xt and my xx75 and xx78 all shoot fine.

LOL...that was a little sarcasm there poking some fun at the guys who think aluminum ain't no good any more.

i know mine was a little fun sarcasm too lol

crazy post..and one guy said he didnt like acc's?? come on! i have shot them for year...thy are great. xx78's
are nice arrows..but going backwards is not for everyone. i will say this..a xx78 tipped with a 95gr muzzy!!
L O R D Y...is a straight killa

i just never went back cause i was sick of bent or dented arrows never had flight problems. but i will say some older carbons and some new cheap ones or junk but any of the name brands ive shot have been very durable and accurate for me. i also like being able to shoot 30yrds with one pin.

Back in the 80s evey one was say the same thing about carbons,but I'm one who has to try new things , so i called may bow rep and ask if he could get me some and he did the new afc 2100 I shot a 60lb carbon + HOYT the frist time i shot indoor with them i shot a 300 with 20 + x rings I thought cool but couldn't get the x rings i wanted. I talked to Frank Person after he had won vagus with them and he give me some tunning info. so i took his advise tuned each arrow to a spot on the five spot numbering each one and turning each arrow nock a little at a time till it hit the x and numbering each arrow 1,2,3,4, and 5 my X count went up to the 40s to 50s Xs with the new tiny carbons with fingers and clicker. I won lots of shoots around the countrythat year. At a state indoor that year at half time thay was going to change my target and I heard them say come look at this target to the others they where looking at it because the number 1 spot only had one over sized hole in it. I had be shooting the arrow in the same hole the frist half in the x ring

Tunning your bow to the arrows is a big part of how your arrow is going to shoot. the right poundage, nock point and so on