Muzzleloading Sniper: Bill Ball Interview
05-11-2005 | 12:52 PM
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RE: Muzzleloading Sniper: Bill Ball Interview
Personally, I don't have an issue with smokeless muzzleloading or anyone that does. I guess I should have clarified for Michigan's shotgun/muzzleloader only zone. In the rifle zone's the sky is the limit which is cool beans with me.
But what is going on is legislation here in Michigan is starting to look at the extended ranges of muzzleloaders in the shotgun/ML only zone.
I see smokeless powder ML development potentially pushing the effective range substantially farther than with traditional black or substitutes. If the range of ML's get excessive (and I don't know what that magic number is), then we may face legislation that restricts not only smokeless ML use but more. Which I do care about.
I would not be surprised if Michigan does not come up with an iron sights or limited optics rule for ML hunting in Michigan's lower peninsula shotgun/muzzleloader zone. When the zone was created, the basis for the shotgun/Muzzleloader restriction was that at that time shotguns and ML's effective range was about 100 yards.
But what is going on is legislation here in Michigan is starting to look at the extended ranges of muzzleloaders in the shotgun/ML only zone.
I see smokeless powder ML development potentially pushing the effective range substantially farther than with traditional black or substitutes. If the range of ML's get excessive (and I don't know what that magic number is), then we may face legislation that restricts not only smokeless ML use but more. Which I do care about.
I would not be surprised if Michigan does not come up with an iron sights or limited optics rule for ML hunting in Michigan's lower peninsula shotgun/muzzleloader zone. When the zone was created, the basis for the shotgun/Muzzleloader restriction was that at that time shotguns and ML's effective range was about 100 yards.
05-11-2005 | 08:36 PM
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RE: Muzzleloading Sniper: Bill Ball Interview
You have a point there TQ. In the city I live in we are in the "shotgun only" zone due to it being an Urban Compact. NH allows rifle shooting in most parts of the state with the exception being urban areas where we can use(during the regular firearms season) shotguns, muzzleloaders and a limited number of pistols the smallest being the .357. This is done because of safety conserns and I don't mind the law a bit living next to a couple hundred acres of woods surrounded by homes and a school.
A person shooting at game and missing it with something going over 2000fps would be endangering people/property. I do not want to see muzzleloaders restricked in these areas yet I want to keep using a rifle like my encore.
A person shooting at game and missing it with something going over 2000fps would be endangering people/property. I do not want to see muzzleloaders restricked in these areas yet I want to keep using a rifle like my encore.
05-14-2005 | 02:15 AM
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RE: Muzzleloading Sniper: Bill Ball Interview
ORIGINAL: Tahquamenon
Personally, I don't have an issue with smokeless muzzleloading or anyone that does. I guess I should have clarified for Michigan's shotgun/muzzleloader only zone. In the rifle zone's the sky is the limit which is cool beans with me.
But what is going on is legislation here in Michigan is starting to look at the extended ranges of muzzleloaders in the shotgun/ML only zone.
I see smokeless powder ML development potentially pushing the effective range substantially farther than with traditional black or substitutes. If the range of ML's get excessive (and I don't know what that magic number is), then we may face legislation that restricts not only smokeless ML use but more. Which I do care about.
I would not be surprised if Michigan does not come up with an iron sights or limited optics rule for ML hunting in Michigan's lower peninsula shotgun/muzzleloader zone. When the zone was created, the basis for the shotgun/Muzzleloader restriction was that at that time shotguns and ML's effective range was about 100 yards.
Personally, I don't have an issue with smokeless muzzleloading or anyone that does. I guess I should have clarified for Michigan's shotgun/muzzleloader only zone. In the rifle zone's the sky is the limit which is cool beans with me.
But what is going on is legislation here in Michigan is starting to look at the extended ranges of muzzleloaders in the shotgun/ML only zone.
I see smokeless powder ML development potentially pushing the effective range substantially farther than with traditional black or substitutes. If the range of ML's get excessive (and I don't know what that magic number is), then we may face legislation that restricts not only smokeless ML use but more. Which I do care about.
I would not be surprised if Michigan does not come up with an iron sights or limited optics rule for ML hunting in Michigan's lower peninsula shotgun/muzzleloader zone. When the zone was created, the basis for the shotgun/Muzzleloader restriction was that at that time shotguns and ML's effective range was about 100 yards.
Aaaah! I see your point exactly, makes perfect sense now.
06-01-2005 | 05:48 AM
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A person shooting at game and missing it with something going over 2000fps would be endangering people/property. I do not want to see muzzleloaders restricked in these areas yet I want to keep using a rifle like my encore.
06-11-2005 | 08:43 AM
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From: A flat lander lost in the mountains of Northern,AZ
RE: Muzzleloading Sniper: Bill Ball Interview
ORIGINAL: RandyWakeman
That is a precarious position-- Encores have had published loads over 2300 fps for years, now, and slug guns long ago eclipsed 2100 fps. Difficult to draw an easy distinction.
A person shooting at game and missing it with something going over 2000fps would be endangering people/property. I do not want to see muzzleloaders restricked in these areas yet I want to keep using a rifle like my encore.
I didnt think about that and i'm sure most dont....... but Randy is right, but I'm thinking if the restriction keep going in the negative direction slug guns will be restricted to smooth bore only and handguns will be restricted to rimmed pistol calibers no larger then 44 mag. And before you know it they will start restricting barrel length for pistols aswell.
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