A buddy shoots T7 exclusively now. Says he likes the water only clean up. He sold me 3 lbs. Pyro, 100 250 grn. Hornady .452 JHP, 200 209 primers and a bag of black sabots for $10.

I' m nothing but impressed with T-7! It contains little sulphur which doesn' t create the corrosion that black powder/Pyrodex creates. It wipes down easily with only water (I use Water and Spit Bath afterwards). It doesn' t have the stench that BP has...What else can I say about it. The only thing cleaner to shoot would be a Savage 10MLII with modern smokeless powder (but DON' T try this in any other muzzleloader)!

Blood trail, sorry to hear the rifle is pitted. Sometimes there is little that can be done. I would worry that if you increase the powder with another pellet, all you' re going to have is a faster projectile that will still not be accurate. What I would suggest is get some loose powder and a measure and start working up a load for the rifle the old fashion way. Start at 70 grains of T-7 and then shoot a three shot group at close range. Keep increasing the charge by 5 grains until it gets REAL tight. You might finally get a load that will hold true in the rifle. I would also suggest the use of a bore button between the charge and the projectile. It might help even out the gas pressures better. Wonder wads work great in my guns. Good luck with the rifle. Hope it comes around.

I may try the different power levels. Thanks

My buddy had exactly the same thing happen with his Hawkin kit gun. Not long after the Pyrodex pellets hit the market, he decided he would ask the guy at the sporting goods store if they could be used in his ML. When we got to the range and he pulled out the pellets, I questioned him about it. I told him they wouldn' t work in his gun, but he loaded it anyway. The guy told him if they didn' t ignite, to put some powder under the nipple to trail the flame to it. He fired, the cap went bang, but the gun didn' t go boom. So he wanted to trail the powder under the nipple. He ended up putting 10-15 grains of powder in there 3 different times before it ignited. The loose powder was igniting, but it wasn' t igniting the pellets. Therefore, he was getting a small explosion every time in the space between the nipple and the pellets.[] Finally, the pellets ignited. It did exactly as you described yours, slow flaming pellet went poof out of the barrel.

As far as the pitting, I would think if the rifling was only damaged where the powder sits, the gun should be OK. You' ve got basicly the entire barrel' s rifling to stabilize the bullet. I would just play with charges to get a good match, but I think you should be good after a little range work.

I think that Triple Seven is the " ONLY" good powder available!! I shoot alot of powder and I think that 777 is the best! I use 777 in the fff powder form. Some believe that you should use 2f, but 3f burns faster because it is much finer. But anyway, my thought on your problem is that the pellets all must be put in the same way. There is only one way the pellets must be put down the pipe. It has to do with the ignition factor. Well, good luck and keep on smokin' !!

Triple 7 is ONLY for use with inlines and ONLY those utilizing 209 primers. Anything else simply wont ignite the powder properly. The powder IS much cleaner, is sulphur free (which means no more corrosive sulphuric acid buildup) which also does away with the nasty rotten egg smell when firing and cleaning the gun. Yes only simple water is required for cleaning. Slee whoever the idiot that sold your buddy 777 while knowing it was being put in a sidelock, that guy should be FIRED or made the new " mop and broom manager" . Find a better sporting goods dealer!!!

I replaced my Pyro pellets this year with 777 pellets, next year the 777 gets replaced with a Savage SMOKELESS!!! [>:][>:][>:]
RA

Red

Slee' s buddy was using Pyrodex pellets. You misread the post.

Red,

Now that just aint right. [8D] Sorry, but #11 caps will ignite T7 loose powder most assuredly and every time so long as the shooter does his part. Have yet to have a misfire in my White inline. A lot of folks are going for the Hornet mod in their Encores because the 209 is just TOO hot.

Red,
I take it that you meant to say that Triple 7 " pellets" are only to be used in inlines. Just about every sidelock shooter I know has at least tried, and most stuck with, Triple 7 powder. I have yet to have a hang fire in my .54 Renegade using #11 caps. I tried to explain why the Pyrodex pellets wouldn' t shoot properly in a sidelock before my buddy loaded them, but he thought the idiot at the store new more than the idiot standing beside him I guess. I was smart enough to watch from a distance.