PR 260 Grain Extreme Elite
08-29-2015 | 06:07 AM
#32
Nontypical Buck
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Muley
I just found around 30 of the 405 gr. lead HP Powerbelts in my bullet stash. I'm taking 10 to the range next week and heading straight over to the 100 yard range, trying 70 grains of Blackhorn with a wad underneath it.
I think I bought these when Bill, Hillary, Chelsea, Al and Monica were over at Pennsylvania NW. Ave.
I just found around 30 of the 405 gr. lead HP Powerbelts in my bullet stash. I'm taking 10 to the range next week and heading straight over to the 100 yard range, trying 70 grains of Blackhorn with a wad underneath it.
I think I bought these when Bill, Hillary, Chelsea, Al and Monica were over at Pennsylvania NW. Ave.
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08-29-2015 | 06:14 AM
#33
Giant Nontypical
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Use the 405gr, or 444gr PB. Simple. Those PB's have killed water buffalo, and knocked it down with one shot. All on video.
LOL $4 a bullet
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08-29-2015 | 06:33 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
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From: Minnesota
Yes, it shows how they compare to another bullet, but not how they perform on game.
If a bullet does well on game, but another one does better on your test. How does that help a hunter? Dead is dead. They may pick the one that does the best in your test when the one that didn't do as well on your test was a good bullet on game.
A lot of times a bullet will do well on a torture test, but won't perform well on game. Some bullets take a lot to make them expand. They may pencil through game, but look good on a torture test. Other bullets may perform perfect on game, but over expand on a torture test.
Your tests do show how bullets perform at the extreme. However, i'm not sure if i'd use it as the only reason to use a bullet for hunting. A hunter needs to consider more than the test results.
I think an accurate test would be a deer hide in front of ballistic gel for a deer hunter. Was too expensive to do I know, but would give more info for a hunter. The only way to simulate hitting bone on entry is to use bone. Bone shatters. Not sure carpet and plywood acts the same. The problem is you don't always hit bone. Especially, when you don't aim for it. What happens if you pick a tough bullet that does well in your test, and then the shot on game goes through both lungs, and never touches any bone? Will it pencil through?
So many variables I would hope hunters pick a bullet for more reasons than these test results. Try to imagine how the bullet will work in all situations. Then make a choice. I know a lot of guys here are doing that. I'm talking to the ones who just take the best results on these test as a final decision on what bullet to use.
If a bullet does well on game, but another one does better on your test. How does that help a hunter? Dead is dead. They may pick the one that does the best in your test when the one that didn't do as well on your test was a good bullet on game.
A lot of times a bullet will do well on a torture test, but won't perform well on game. Some bullets take a lot to make them expand. They may pencil through game, but look good on a torture test. Other bullets may perform perfect on game, but over expand on a torture test.
Your tests do show how bullets perform at the extreme. However, i'm not sure if i'd use it as the only reason to use a bullet for hunting. A hunter needs to consider more than the test results.
I think an accurate test would be a deer hide in front of ballistic gel for a deer hunter. Was too expensive to do I know, but would give more info for a hunter. The only way to simulate hitting bone on entry is to use bone. Bone shatters. Not sure carpet and plywood acts the same. The problem is you don't always hit bone. Especially, when you don't aim for it. What happens if you pick a tough bullet that does well in your test, and then the shot on game goes through both lungs, and never touches any bone? Will it pencil through?
So many variables I would hope hunters pick a bullet for more reasons than these test results. Try to imagine how the bullet will work in all situations. Then make a choice. I know a lot of guys here are doing that. I'm talking to the ones who just take the best results on these test as a final decision on what bullet to use.
If someone thinks they have a better test no one is stopping them from doing it, in fact I would be interested in seeing the test and the results.
It's always easier to pick apart something someone else is doing than to do it yourself.
Art
08-29-2015 | 06:37 AM
#35
Giant Nontypical
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From: Colorado
No, that's not what was used. Regular 405gr aerotip. Steve from Steve's Outdoor also shot a record grizzly with one. Bang-flop. All on film.
Somewhere in these posts someone says he shoots bull elk with 338gr Platinum, and they perform well.
btw Jon used a 250gr Aerolite. A different bullet than the one tested here, and the one with the biggest hollow point meant to expand easily with normal loads. Hogslayer used the 300gr Areolite, and it blew up a shoulder, and passed through his deer. Yet, in Ron't test it would pancake.
PB's got their bad rep from guys using the light bullets with hollow points, heavy loads of powder, and shooting at close range. Exactly what PB tells you not to do. Even at that most of the complaints were no blood trails, but the deer was dead.
Somewhere in these posts someone says he shoots bull elk with 338gr Platinum, and they perform well.
btw Jon used a 250gr Aerolite. A different bullet than the one tested here, and the one with the biggest hollow point meant to expand easily with normal loads. Hogslayer used the 300gr Areolite, and it blew up a shoulder, and passed through his deer. Yet, in Ron't test it would pancake.
PB's got their bad rep from guys using the light bullets with hollow points, heavy loads of powder, and shooting at close range. Exactly what PB tells you not to do. Even at that most of the complaints were no blood trails, but the deer was dead.
08-29-2015 | 06:41 AM
#36
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From: Colorado
The results I have seen have mostly confirmed what I have already known about the different bullets. It is a comparative test and it seems to me it has been conducted without bias. The bullet user can decide for himself how to interpret the results and what bullet is for him.
If someone thinks they have a better test no one is stopping them from doing it, in fact I would be interested in seeing the test and the results.
It's always easier to pick apart something someone else is doing than to do it yourself.
Art
If someone thinks they have a better test no one is stopping them from doing it, in fact I would be interested in seeing the test and the results.
It's always easier to pick apart something someone else is doing than to do it yourself.
Art
All i'm saying is use your head when picking a bullet. Don't discard a bullet, because it didn't look good in a torture test.
08-29-2015 | 06:42 AM
#37
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flounder33
That is more or less what im doing for this years possible hunt. I want to use my 45 for closer shots at a managed hunt. Ed's 350gr fits the bill quite well with a mild load. I wont have the luxury of my tree stand or the need for extended range shots.
I had some serious doubt that a 350gr with such a large HP would perform as well as it did. I could use any ML i own including my non smokers but over penetration concerns me in this particular area. When i hunt my private land and lease its a non issue. Only me and a friend are there. Not 100 other hunters.
That is more or less what im doing for this years possible hunt. I want to use my 45 for closer shots at a managed hunt. Ed's 350gr fits the bill quite well with a mild load. I wont have the luxury of my tree stand or the need for extended range shots.
I had some serious doubt that a 350gr with such a large HP would perform as well as it did. I could use any ML i own including my non smokers but over penetration concerns me in this particular area. When i hunt my private land and lease its a non issue. Only me and a friend are there. Not 100 other hunters.
