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Old 07-28-2012 | 02:46 PM
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Having never killed an elk with a muzzleloader I do not have in the field experience to offer you. I do know the Knight Extreme as I owned one for a while and shot a lot of bullets out of it. A very nice accurate rifle. I traded it off for a White .451 Model 97. Since I had a Knight Disc rifle to fall back on.

I would think three pellets of Triple Seven (if accurate), would be a great load. I you want to try others, and if legal... try BlackHorn 209. My Extreme did real well accuracy wise around 110 grains of Triple Seven loose powder. Sabotloader shoots a lot of Knight Rifles and uses Triple Seven with some outstanding accuracy. Others shoot BlackHorn in their Knights with amazing accuracy. But I will state, I had good luck shooting Pyrodex RS pellets as well in my Knight Rifles. While I would go with loose powder, you shoot what is most accurate and what you feel comfortable with.

I would suggest a 250 grain or bigger bullet. I base this on range work I have conducted, and from reading experiences of people I trust a great deal, that have hunted elk. The 300 would be a great choice IMO for what it is worth.

I have shot the Blood Line bullets in my Knight Disc and they were very accurate. I suspect they would be accurate in your rifle, but one can never tell. Some of the better constructed bullets out there are Barnes, Nosler, and Lehigh (Bloodline), bullets. On my range they have held up to a lot of abuse.

The main thing is use a well constructed bullet, pushing it to as fast as accuracy will allow. Be able to place that bullet and don't try to make it do more then you are able. Shoot for the main organs and you should be fine. Good luck on your elk hunt. I hope you shoot a big one. Then we can ask you about how well the bullet you selected worked for you.
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Old 07-28-2012 | 04:03 PM
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oh no not a self proclaimed expert, now thats just gettin plain ol cocky IMO!

Heres my nosler experience, real Good results buts a barnes is just my go to bullet.


seriously though, tons of people have shot more elk with a wide assortment of bullets, we don't need just one expert saying you have to use a nosler or paper patched bullet to kill a simple elk.

Tons of bullets out there to do the job effectively. What any one chooses to use is their business and as long as that bullets getting the job done, i suggest to stick with it. I know the right bullet for me and thats all that matters.
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Old 07-28-2012 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ronlaughlin
Muley you miss the whole point.

He is just tired of flippant answers thrown out by persons with little or no actual experience. Quit trying to turn these threads into debates. People ask questions because they are curious, and want to learn. They don't wish for their threads to decay into debate games.
Whoa! Hang on Ron. I'm not trying to turn the thread into anything. I believe back on the first page it started with your post to Jon.

"How many have you killed to be able to give a knowledgeable opinion?????

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All i'm saying is you don't have to have first hand experience with a bullet to know it's an effective bullet by it's track record.
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Old 07-28-2012 | 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
Whoa! Hang on Ron. I'm not trying to turn the thread into anything. I believe back on the first page it started with your post to Jon.

"How many have you killed to be able to give a knowledgeable opinion?????

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All i'm saying is you don't have to have first hand experience with a bullet to know it's an effective bullet by it's track record.
You are mixing the two Rons up . Idahoron asked the question that you are contributing to ronlaughlin. Rule number 1 : don't confuse the Ron's
 
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Old 07-28-2012 | 05:53 PM
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Oh yeah. One to many Ron's.

Now i'm confused.

I'm old.
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Old 07-28-2012 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cayugad
Having never killed an elk with a muzzleloader I do not have in the field experience to offer you. I do know the Knight Extreme as I owned one for a while and shot a lot of bullets out of it. A very nice accurate rifle. I traded it off for a White .451 Model 97. Since I had a Knight Disc rifle to fall back on.

I would think three pellets of Triple Seven (if accurate), would be a great load. I you want to try others, and if legal... try BlackHorn 209. My Extreme did real well accuracy wise around 110 grains of Triple Seven loose powder. Sabotloader shoots a lot of Knight Rifles and uses Triple Seven with some outstanding accuracy. Others shoot BlackHorn in their Knights with amazing accuracy. But I will state, I had good luck shooting Pyrodex RS pellets as well in my Knight Rifles. While I would go with loose powder, you shoot what is most accurate and what you feel comfortable with.

I would suggest a 250 grain or bigger bullet. I base this on range work I have conducted, and from reading experiences of people I trust a great deal, that have hunted elk. The 300 would be a great choice IMO for what it is worth.

I have shot the Blood Line bullets in my Knight Disc and they were very accurate. I suspect they would be accurate in your rifle, but one can never tell. Some of the better constructed bullets out there are Barnes, Nosler, and Lehigh (Bloodline), bullets. On my range they have held up to a lot of abuse.

The main thing is use a well constructed bullet, pushing it to as fast as accuracy will allow. Be able to place that bullet and don't try to make it do more then you are able. Shoot for the main organs and you should be fine. Good luck on your elk hunt. I hope you shoot a big one. Then we can ask you about how well the bullet you selected worked for you.
MD54, this is is a good post. cayugad Has an opinion on bullets. He has done range work and he knows people that have personally killed elk with them. He offers that info with a note that says just that, Like a foot note. He isn't trying to claim he knows everything about elk.
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Old 07-28-2012 | 06:00 PM
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The elk you see on the thor website, most of them took my advice and look what it got them. Success as usual.
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Old 07-28-2012 | 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
oh no not a self proclaimed expert, now thats just gettin plain ol cocky IMO!

Heres my nosler experience, real Good results buts a barnes is just my go to bullet.


seriously though, tons of people have shot more elk with a wide assortment of bullets, we don't need just one expert saying you have to use a nosler or paper patched bullet to kill a simple elk.

Tons of bullets out there to do the job effectively. What any one chooses to use is their business and as long as that bullets getting the job done, i suggest to stick with it. I know the right bullet for me and thats all that matters.
What did you shoot that bullet into sand, news paper? Did it give a good blood trail? It wasn't an elk.
If you go back and re read my post you will see that I didn't say that the 460 gr Paper Patched bullet was an elk killer. I never recommended it because I have not killed one with it. But your Statement " to kill a simple elk" tells the tale. You have so little actual knowledge of killing elk in general that you make a statement that elk are simple. You just point any old bullet their way and they die, is that what your saying.

It ain't that easy young man. Some day if your lucky to kill a few elk you will have different ideas on how to kill elk. All of us that kill elk on a regular basis change things. BTW, when I do go after elk I will take the 460's. Because of the animals I have killed with it. The accuracy I get with them, and confidence I have in them actually killing game with them. Ron
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Old 07-28-2012 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Muley Hunter
So, going off your experience. If I said a 460gr conical will kill deer. I'd be wrong, because I haven't done it? Are we to just throw out your experience as having no value?
It depends how you did it. If you said I have talked to a guy on line that has had great luck with them. That is different. If someone asked will they kill deer and you say yep without a doubt I know that they kill deer, then you are trying to take credit for that and that is wrong. Ron
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Old 07-28-2012 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
The elk you see on the thor website, most of them took my advice and look what it got them. Success as usual.
If we all took your advice we would be shooting powerbelts and thors out of a CVA with Blackhorn while peering through a Konis scope mounted on a dura sight base hoping to hit that dirty bird target off a Caldwell leadsled. Is that about right???
 
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