Time to put the Leupold Ultimate Slam on er and see what she can really do. Nice Report and Good Shootin!
(BP)

That is exactly what I was going to put on - but I could not find any medium Weaver style rings any where in the house - so I ad to use low rings. Then talking on the phone last night to Sqezer I remembered I had stashed a pair of NIC STars - just couldn't remeber where until I found them by accident this morning...

looks like new scope time my 1-20 shoots as good as that one but never tryed the lehigh 200gr have some but have not tryed them but will soon every time aim ready to go its snowing here in colorado and the range is closed been shooting the barnes 195gr mz with Harvest smooth blue and 110gr to 120gr of BH209 at 100yds 3 shoots are touching put the barrel in a new stock and working on the fit that one looks like a shooter good shooting there sabotloader

Ive been saying it all along too. The original marketing load data was the problem, not the twist. Sure you may not get the best results with common 40cal bullets 180gr or less if you dont slow them down but those are usually for target shooting anyway.

155gr bullets and a 3 pellet load claiming 7mm/08 performance levels at the muzzle were a marketing disaster for the "SUPER" 45s. You might get the FPS but i highly doubt it would be accurate.

IMO most people that use a modern inline 45cal for hunting are not going to be using less than a Barnes 195gr or the Lehigh 185gr which are both longer than a copper/lead bullet of similar weight. Most are probably using a 200gr SST or XTP for the majority of their recreational shooting and hunting.

Quite a few people use even faster twists with 200gr class bullets and smokeless (in approved guns) with no problem and at even higher velocity than most sub gun loads including myself.

IMO the best part...at least for most subs is the benefit you will get from heavy conicals, just like Doc White got. His 451s are usually tack drivers with those huge 400gr+ slugs even at low fps. Combine that in a modern inline made for BH209 and you have a very hard hitting rifle with plenty of load options.

BTW call Bob Parker sometime and ask him about shooting BH209 and his BE series bullets sabotless in a faster twist 45. Granted its not for everyone but it opens even more doors for the good old 45s if you have some sizing dies.

Thank you Squezer and Sabotloader for your efforts. I really want to see the 45s make a strong return to the market and motivate vendors to do more for the caliber.

Thanks for posting this Sabotloader, Great Report.

Gm54-120

Excellent post and thanks for sharing your thoughts...

You and I have discussed the twist thing a couple of times and I not having any experiance with the higher twist rate really did not know what might work. You know that I also had a lengthly discussion with Del at MMP trying to gain information.

After this shooting session yesterday I think I have a little better feeling of what we were discssing. I was purposely shooting a heavy powder charge in the gun trying to blow out the MMP sabot it held up just fine. I also felt while shooting I could have jumped the powder up, but it was shooting so well - I just never got to it.

I was going to mail this rifle back here shortly but now I think I will hold onto it for awhile and do some additional shooting.

I really want to shoot some BH through the gun now as it increases the heat so much more than does T7. That ought to tax the sabots even more.

Plus... I shot up most of my Lehigh's 200's yesterday so I am forced to try some other bullets. I have some samples sent by people plus some XTP's, Gold Dots, and assorted other bullets.

Just say the Super DISC really did get my attention...

It were a fun outing... and now I have changed my plans and I really want to do more...

There are a couple of posts showing up in the LRH thread that a very informative (IMO) about the 1-20 twist that I would like to carry over here so I am going to try to re-post them here.

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3. My replay to Builder

That is the very thing i was dealing with in my mind... the existing image. After shooting that image is completly reversed.

And that is the biggest problem facing a business today - the image - or really what will the public buy into.

Unless we (the shooters with a 1-20 twist gun) can show the image to be incorrect - it might be risky. Even if on a forum like this a few of us can show the it was a bad rap what reall good will that do for the majority of the ML shooters that have a bad image. We are so few and so many never even come here to see what might be happening.

From a business standpoint you might be right - but at this moment from a shooters perspective - i would say bring on the 1-20.

I do not know how Doc White developed his twist rates that were not following the norm - but if his 45 were 1-20 and his 50's are 1-24 - they certainly work. But as Cayugad has said there is more to it than just twist rate. Depth of the lands and grooves fall in there also.

Right now after my limited experiance - I would vote for a 1-20, not for what it will do inside a 100 yards but for what it can do outside of the 100 yard make in maintaining bullet stability.

I hope this does not cause a problem - but I think they are very pertainent to the conversation...

I haven't been posting much lately but this is one of my favorite topics and calibers. IMO it has more to offer than many people realize. Plus a 45cal is a joy to shoot for fun with the reduced recoil options.

My hope is, it becomes popular again and the aftermarket supports it better this time. I still think a 220gr 40 cal would be ideal in a lead/copper bullet. You really wont loose any fps vs a 200gr SST and it will carry a fair amount more FPE at longer ranges.

Ive shoot some PR 260gr .40 dead center bullets in my 1-20 and they shoot good but you have to push them with 120gr BH209 to get good groups less they open up this is not a bad twist just people just have to take the time to see what shoots in it and the sabots are better today then when they first came out I remmenber when i first got this gun in some were in the 80s almost give up on it