Ive been saying it all along too. The original marketing load data was the problem, not the twist. Sure you may not get the best results with common 40cal bullets 180gr or less if you dont slow them down but those are usually for target shooting anyway.

155gr bullets and a 3 pellet load claiming 7mm/08 performance levels at the muzzle were a marketing disaster for the "SUPER" 45s. You might get the FPS but i highly doubt it would be accurate.

IMO most people that use a modern inline 45cal for hunting are not going to be using less than a Barnes 195gr or the Lehigh 185gr which are both longer than a copper/lead bullet of similar weight. Most are probably using a 200gr SST or XTP for the majority of their recreational shooting and hunting.

Quite a few people use even faster twists with 200gr class bullets and smokeless (in approved guns) with no problem and at even higher velocity than most sub gun loads including myself.

IMO the best part...at least for most subs is the benefit you will get from heavy conicals, just like Doc White got. His 451s are usually tack drivers with those huge 400gr+ slugs even at low fps. Combine that in a modern inline made for BH209 and you have a very hard hitting rifle with plenty of load options.

BTW call Bob Parker sometime and ask him about shooting BH209 and his BE series bullets sabotless in a faster twist 45. Granted its not for everyone but it opens even more doors for the good old 45s if you have some sizing dies.

Thank you Squezer and Sabotloader for your efforts. I really want to see the 45s make a strong return to the market and motivate vendors to do more for the caliber.