Sorry but from a pure business stand point and considering knight is trying to make a comeback. it makes no sense to even try,especially considering the lack of interest in the 45 cal market.reintroducing failed products for whatever reason(be it rifles or there twist rate and calibers) is never good business.introducing innovative products and twist rates that work well with everything available,is far more conducive to selling more of your products..

Sqezer

Just now getting around to cleaning the rifle, removed the bolt and wanted you to see the area after 76 shots with the modified Lehigh Breech Plug

The thing is no twist rate works well for everything. Most guns regardless of caliber or twist still require a person to find or work up the best load for it. The 1:20 is no different .If anything it was simply to far ahead of its time and now could very well be the right time to introduce it as an excellent choice. In the past I think the image of blackpowder was one of short range , 100 yards or less. Now blackpowder is coming into it's own as a viable long range gun. Therefore the 1:20 is marketable because it is a long range twist and more people are stretching the limits . That opens up an expanding market. If anything it could create a bigger market share by offering and developing bullets to market along with it. Bullets proven to be deadly and accurate in that twist.

Is that you MM, why the name chage???

I asked the same thing yesterday!

The 1/24 twist is a very bad idea in the 45cal. The reason being you will be limited on bullet length. Knight rifles practically own there own bullet company. They will make high BC, long range bullets for there customers. It's that simple.

The people who want to use a 195 Barnes or a 200grn SST can still use them if they want. I tested 175 Barnes, 195 barnes, and the 200grn SST in the 45cal 120 twist barrels. The accuracy is outstanding.

I already know of two 40cal bullets that are being made for me to test. One is a 225grn 40cal, and the other is a 250grn 40cal. Though i think over kill on Deer size game, they will be awesome for long range shooting at Deer size game.

While you sound dead set - I am not that sure that the 1-24 would not be alright in a 45. I would suspect that Dave has done some mathematical calculations that indicate what might happen with that twist rate.

I can tell you that from a White 1-24 twist, 40 cal bullets shoot lights out - long ones or short ones. However, I have never shot any of the really short .357 bullets from it.

Again while the 1-24 may not be the BEST it might not be the worst either. Even the current 1-30 is not the worst, and several companies are working along with a 1-28.

Heck, maybe the 1-20 is not even the BEST, but it certainly appears to work very well.

Nothing wrong with a 1/24 at all. As a matter of fact my 1/30 45 will shoot with any ML on the market today at 2500fps. Dave was thinking faster like 1/18 but i think 1/20 is just fine. It opens up a wide variety of bullets. From the short 175grn Barnes to the long 250grn Bloodline. People can pick there own medicine. The 1/24 does not mathematicaly shoot the bullets Knight is planning on making.

I was really surprised when i used 100grns of Pyrodex and shot sub 1" groups with short muzzleloader bullets. Knight rifles in the end will do what they want. They have the same barrels i do and are seeing the same results. How they choose to run or market there business is totally up to them.

Example: I would of never made the Mountaineer a 27" barrel. It would of been 24 or 25 if it was my decision. Again there decisions right or wrong have been very profitable to say the least.

Correct and I have the same feeling about the 1-30 but not a lot of people really want to move that far out on the load spectrum. Most folks are happy and functional with 2000 fps in their hunting situations.

From my limited information I think Dave is correct - the 1-18 might be the best for a specific class of bullets and it would fill the bill for some people. I just am not sure it would be universal enough to fit everyone or a the majority of everyone.

Have you tested any of the non-premium bullets that most people might shoot, not all folks run out and buy the buck a bullet type projectiles. Will the 1-20 work for these folks also? We already know the 1-20 will work for long conicals, so there is no need to work them. It is the copper clad bullets at the other end of the spectrum that it might be nice to know about. It could be a lot easier for 'wobble' to be induced in them with the 1-20 twist, unless you are just writing that group of hunters off.

You have more working information that i do at this point about the 1-20, White 451 shooters probably have more - but at this point I am in agreement with you. I feel I still need to do some additional shooting with the gun to really get that confident feeling, but at this time I see no way the twist can fail.

The 1-30 does not mathematically shoot the Lehigh 40-200 at lower velocities either... but in real life and my Knight - it shoots them fine @ 2100 fps. Mathematics calcualtions are not always the final answer.

True enough but that does not prevent us, the shooters, from specualtion or shooting to try find our own answers.

[/quote]Example: I would of never made the Mountaineer a 27" barrel. It would of been 24 or 25 if it was my decision. Again there decisions right or wrong have been very profitable to say the least.[/quote]

You already know I am in agreement for the most part with this one also - I would have really liked the 25-26" barrels for the woods hunting that I do.

With all the pre sale hype, I guess we know what twist the new .45's will be. Very dissappointed!!!

Just like the.52, who wants to be locked into almost having to buy your bullets from one source? Sounds like a way to charge whatever you want for the bullets, once you convince someone to buy the rifle. I will pass....