Most accurate, Worst, Favorite out of the box Muzzleloader.
#32
Nontypical Buck
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Hard to grade "out of box" as I rarely shoot a gun much before fiddling with something...
Worst out of the box, well where to begin. My first ML was a Traditions Deerhunter, shot ok but trigger pull was more than the gun weighed. Shot a lot of deer with it before I got the work done but it was horrible. Or my second ML, a Traditions Lightning (see a pattern??) with a tight stock/barrel rub and a 10lb trigger. Dremeled the stock and worked the trigger and the gun was accurate, but had a nasty surprise that below about 7lb the trigger/safety group would malfunction and fire the gun if it was ****ed with the safety off!! I'll throw the Encore on this list too, my buddy had a laundry list of problems with his and is still not happy with it.
Best out of the box, Omega X7. It is the only ML I have not modified, everything about it is excellent except I needed a new front sight to shoot bullets under 300gr and get a 100yd zero.
Favorite, thumbhole Omega. I did a lot of work on it, 3/4 of which most people would not do, but it's a real tack-driver now.
Worst out of the box, well where to begin. My first ML was a Traditions Deerhunter, shot ok but trigger pull was more than the gun weighed. Shot a lot of deer with it before I got the work done but it was horrible. Or my second ML, a Traditions Lightning (see a pattern??) with a tight stock/barrel rub and a 10lb trigger. Dremeled the stock and worked the trigger and the gun was accurate, but had a nasty surprise that below about 7lb the trigger/safety group would malfunction and fire the gun if it was ****ed with the safety off!! I'll throw the Encore on this list too, my buddy had a laundry list of problems with his and is still not happy with it.
Best out of the box, Omega X7. It is the only ML I have not modified, everything about it is excellent except I needed a new front sight to shoot bullets under 300gr and get a 100yd zero.
Favorite, thumbhole Omega. I did a lot of work on it, 3/4 of which most people would not do, but it's a real tack-driver now.
#33
Spike
Joined: Jun 2004
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Best out of the box was my Knight MK 85 and hunted for years and took a deer or two each year. Always stayed sighted in with 100 grains and 240 gr sabot. Worst was the T/C omega. So darn hard to get a bullet down the barrel useing t/c sabots. Cleaned between each shot but tried the second shot without as if i was hunting and needed another shot. Friend laughed as he thought i was going to break the ramrod getting it down. After a hr of shooting i wasn't very happy with it and sold it for half price. that said, many love theirs and may have been all my fault not useing some other sabot. I would think it was their brand and would work in their gun. Same sabots load and work fine in my Knight and cva. Not sure what i did wrong.
#34
Best out of the box was my Knight MK 85 and hunted for years and took a deer or two each year. Always stayed sighted in with 100 grains and 240 gr sabot. Worst was the T/C omega. So darn hard to get a bullet down the barrel useing t/c sabots. Cleaned between each shot but tried the second shot without as if i was hunting and needed another shot. Friend laughed as he thought i was going to break the ramrod getting it down. After a hr of shooting i wasn't very happy with it and sold it for half price. that said, many love theirs and may have been all my fault not useing some other sabot. I would think it was their brand and would work in their gun. Same sabots load and work fine in my Knight and cva. Not sure what i did wrong.
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#35
Best out of box: Triumph bone collector. I shot mine for the first time the other day and previously helped get my buddy sighted in with his regular triumph and both were better out of the box than I currently shoot my genesis.
Worst: Not sure if I can say I have a worst. I have had a CVA wolf, sighted in a Kodiak Pro for dad, sighted in a Omega with a scope/thumbhole stock for someone who said he couldn't hit the paper, have a genesis and a triumph...and if I had to pick a worst...probably the Wolf...just because it took longer to get a group that was good.
Favorite: I am sure my new fav is now the bone collector...but...I have to say the Genesis holds a place in my heart because of all the hunting memories.
Worst: Not sure if I can say I have a worst. I have had a CVA wolf, sighted in a Kodiak Pro for dad, sighted in a Omega with a scope/thumbhole stock for someone who said he couldn't hit the paper, have a genesis and a triumph...and if I had to pick a worst...probably the Wolf...just because it took longer to get a group that was good.
Favorite: I am sure my new fav is now the bone collector...but...I have to say the Genesis holds a place in my heart because of all the hunting memories.
#36
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I answered this question once but that answer is outdated as I just got a pro-hunter that took the honors as most accurate out of the box. 4 shots to sight it in. First shot low , adjusted and the next 3 were a 1 1/2 " group at 100 yards. I am still amazed and often catch myself thinking it was a fluke and next time I shoot it ,it won't be accurate as i think it is. Hopefully I get that chance soon. If I can dig out that is.Darn blizzard
#37
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Nov 2005
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Most accurate: The Endeavor out shoots all the rest at 250 yds.
Favorite: Hard choice the Endeavor over the Triumph but just.
Worst: The first CVA Hawken back in the early years, very accurate but something in the lock broke almost every time I took it to the range, I finally replaced the lock.
Favorite: Hard choice the Endeavor over the Triumph but just.
Worst: The first CVA Hawken back in the early years, very accurate but something in the lock broke almost every time I took it to the range, I finally replaced the lock.
#38
Most Accurate Out Of The Box:
My cheap old CVA StagHorn. It made consistent <1.25" three shot groups at 100 yards. It still does that after ten years of heavy use and abuse.
The Worst:
My .50 Encore. The stock was loose when i bought it. The screw holes for the thimbles were not drilled deep enough and the thimbles were always loose. Fixed that one myself. The bore was very rough and the barrel fouled with plastic from the sabots. A couple of sessions with tight patches and red jewelers rouge cured that.
Had problems with side play and lockup. That was partially corrected with new lockup springs and an oversize hinge pin. Had oodles of problems related to center fire rifle barrels. The forearm ears were touching the frame and had to be shaved on the inside. The thing did not come with an Easy Tip extractor and i had to buy one of those.
The Best:
My .50 Encore. After doing the obligitory Encore retrofits it became a pretty good gun. Had a couple of cheap scopes on that gun that i thought were good in low light, etc. Both went bad. This past fall i put a Zeiss 4X32 Conquest scope on it and that made a huge difference. My groups got smaller. The scope is much clearer and i can see targets better in low light. My only gripe about my Encore now is the fact that it is very heavy. Too heavy for me to take on a long walking hunt. For that there is my trusty CVA Stag Horn.
My cheap old CVA StagHorn. It made consistent <1.25" three shot groups at 100 yards. It still does that after ten years of heavy use and abuse.
The Worst:
My .50 Encore. The stock was loose when i bought it. The screw holes for the thimbles were not drilled deep enough and the thimbles were always loose. Fixed that one myself. The bore was very rough and the barrel fouled with plastic from the sabots. A couple of sessions with tight patches and red jewelers rouge cured that.
Had problems with side play and lockup. That was partially corrected with new lockup springs and an oversize hinge pin. Had oodles of problems related to center fire rifle barrels. The forearm ears were touching the frame and had to be shaved on the inside. The thing did not come with an Easy Tip extractor and i had to buy one of those.
The Best:
My .50 Encore. After doing the obligitory Encore retrofits it became a pretty good gun. Had a couple of cheap scopes on that gun that i thought were good in low light, etc. Both went bad. This past fall i put a Zeiss 4X32 Conquest scope on it and that made a huge difference. My groups got smaller. The scope is much clearer and i can see targets better in low light. My only gripe about my Encore now is the fact that it is very heavy. Too heavy for me to take on a long walking hunt. For that there is my trusty CVA Stag Horn.
Last edited by falcon; 12-27-2009 at 12:08 PM.
#39
Most accurate -
Rem. 700ML followed very closely by a T/C Omega - both would give sub-MOA groups with a variety of loads.
The worst -
Anything with the name Traditions on it! I've had everything from a .32 cal sidelock to an inline and none of them would shoot decent groups consistently!
The best -
T/C sidelocks. Good accuracy, easy to clean & care for, and dependable with reasonable care & loading. + just plain fun to shoot!
Rem. 700ML followed very closely by a T/C Omega - both would give sub-MOA groups with a variety of loads.
The worst -
Anything with the name Traditions on it! I've had everything from a .32 cal sidelock to an inline and none of them would shoot decent groups consistently!
The best -
T/C sidelocks. Good accuracy, easy to clean & care for, and dependable with reasonable care & loading. + just plain fun to shoot!
#40
Giant Nontypical
Joined: Dec 2005
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From: PA.
only 1 muzzleloader i use.THOMPSON HAWKINS .50 CAL FLINTLOCK with rmc peep sight mounted near frizzen.
to ME its best,accurate,fun gun to carry and shoot.
you should see looks i get from hunters with their 7mm rem mag, using it in regular gun season here in pa.
to ME its best,accurate,fun gun to carry and shoot.
you should see looks i get from hunters with their 7mm rem mag, using it in regular gun season here in pa.


