Best out of the box was my Knight MK 85 and hunted for years and took a deer or two each year. Always stayed sighted in with 100 grains and 240 gr sabot. Worst was the T/C omega. So darn hard to get a bullet down the barrel useing t/c sabots. Cleaned between each shot but tried the second shot without as if i was hunting and needed another shot. Friend laughed as he thought i was going to break the ramrod getting it down. After a hr of shooting i wasn't very happy with it and sold it for half price. that said, many love theirs and may have been all my fault not useing some other sabot. I would think it was their brand and would work in their gun. Same sabots load and work fine in my Knight and cva. Not sure what i did wrong.