The camera batteries died today, and the bugs about ate me alive. So I only shot at the 35 yard line. Used my Renegade with the Green Mountain Barrel stainless steel LRH 1-28 twist with the 1X Thompson Center scope on it.

I was shooting from a bench and wanted to try a number of different bullets and powder charges. I started out on a clean barrel shooting the 250 grain Saber Tooth Conicals. I tried to shake them off the charge and out the barrel as was a concern of some, but was unable to. Since 35 yards is my average shot distance for deer here, I wanted to see how they would do.

If I had fowled the bore, I think I would have had a hole with them. They really shot well out of that rifle. With 90 grains of 2f triple se7en powder, that would make a good deer load if the thing did not hit, splatter and blow up. Also I never swabbed the bore, and they loaded very nice. Firm, but nice.

I then swabbed the rifle too clean and had a hangfire on the next test group. It shot high and wild. So I dried the bore better and shot the next five. Group #2 was some Hornady .430 44 caliber 300 grain HP/XTP in a green Crushed Rib sabot by Harvester. Shooting 90 grains of 2f triple Se7en they did very well. I then was swabbing between shots but being very careful of drying the bore. How it could have stayed wet in the heat is beyond me.

I then did not swab the bore clean. Instead I had taken some Buffalo Bullet Conicals I had bought (I purchased a whole case of them ... 720 of them) and sized them to .501 so they would be slip fit. I loaded 90 grains of triple se7en (lower right piece of tape) and the ramrod weight would almost seat the conical. I was more then pleased with the way they shot.

I then still did not swab, and loaded 70 grains of Triple Se7en 3f and the same Buffalo Bullet Conicals sized down to .501. They average 420 grains I believe it is. And the center piece of tape.. I shot another very acceptable group with them. I might have to consider them a hunting load, as that would put a world of hurt on a deer with that hollow point conical.

I then swabbed the bore clean, dried it well, even popped a #11 cap and loaded 100 grains of Triple Se7en 3f and the 300 grain Hornady XTP. I swabbed every other shot, so I could see how they behaved. I wish I had checked each shot instead of shooting five as fast as I could. It looks like I might have a swab example there. I BELIEVE that the swabbed shots groups and the un swabbed shots did as well.

I then set a couple cans up at 50 yards and was shooting 70 grains and the conicals and basically tearing them apart. So I was happy with today's results. Although most of the groups were a little to the right. I might have to make a slight scope adjustment. But will try again in the future and see if the results are duplicated.

Fine shooting Cayugad, and some darn good loads. That 420 conical over 90 grains T7 sure looks like a winner. I'd like to see a 75 or 100 yard group with that load.

Does the scope base you have for the Renegade off-set the scope to the left of the barrel? Also, what height rings are you using on it?

yes the base off sets for the sake of the trigger, and I have a set of medium weaver mounts on it.

Dave - They all look pretty darn good to me. Seems though as if that barrel may prefer the conicals over the saboted bullets. Maybe we will know better when you get a chance to stretch out the yardage a bit more.

Any of y'all guys know where I can get a drop in barrel for a tc renegade

http://www.thegunworks.com/custprodg...t1Name=Barrels Might call them or check track of the wolf.com

Buy an old one on eBay and send it to Bob Hoyt to have it re-rifled.
That seems to be what most folks are doing since it's economical.
Or for a little more money he can install a barrel liner for a caliber of your choice.