"Now I went thru this entire thread and I didn't see any pictures from you, can you give either a URL link or post the picture in here."

"Falcon, Hook us up with the pics. Thanks, Greg"

Look at post #7, page 1 and post 17, page 2.Got to clickon "attachment" and then open the photo.For some reason i could not get it to just put in a picture.

This is falcon's SW.The mushroom is perfect, beautiful for a 192 yard shot. It lost about 1/3 of it's weight. Was the shank intact or mushed down?If the shank was intact,then it would have lost little weight, is my guess. If the shank was not intact then my guess is the jacket separated from the core and took some lead with it, like what happened to Sabotloader when he shot into the clay/sand bank.It did the jobhowever. My analysis of this bullet is:
It did the job,mushroomed perfectly but lost 1/3 of weight.My "ideal" bulletretains nearly 100% of weight and mushrooms to about 3/4" with a.45 cal bullet, shooting thru the game animal, with a well placed shot behind the shoulder.If I miss behind the shoulder and the bullet hits the shoulder, the bullet go thru the shoulder and into the vitals and is on the off side of the animal.
Chap

This is Falcon's XTP 240g. How much does the bullet weigh? It looks broken up to me but it did the job. I prefer the bullet to loose no weight or very little. Chap

Thank you Falcon. I didn't see those bullets pictures in the origonal post sorry.My comments are on each post. Chap

Thanks, Chap.

That 240 Grain .44 caliber XTP now weighs exactly 170 grains. It is in two pieces and all the petals are intact. Not great retained weight but not too shabbyfor having killed two deer.

I agree not shabby for killing two deer, there is no doubt they do the job. Chap Gleason

If any one has recovered a 200gr 40 cal Shock Wave I would love to hear about it and see it if they have a pic, I have used they with excellant results but never been able to recover one. Lee

I was wondering if anyone has ftried the 45 long colt w/sabot?

The 250 grain .452 bullets are made for the long colt.

I am a neophyte compared to people posting on this thread, and I have some questions.

I simply just don't understand all this talk about ML bullets expanding, or how people are not recovering deer hit with 250 and 300 grain bullets. I saw a bunch shot just this year and none of the deer went anywhere. All were hit with good shots in the vitals. I later learned the same thing from everyone at my gun club - no issues with recovering deer. I have shot some deer with my 30-30 and 170 grain hollow point bullets, and I have long been told this gun/bullet is responsible for many thousands of deer. The exit holes look like the entrance hole from a 300 grain ML bulllet. When I was younger I used to work in a butcher shop, and I was always amazed when the ML guys brought their deer in. Again, entrance holes that were bigger than exit holes on deer hit with centerfire rifles.

I have seen a few deer that were not recovered, and they were from bad shooting. The shooters all claimed they made perfect shots, only to be overruled by the evidence we later found (stomach contents on the ground). These fellows are great from the bench, but never practice with open sights (much to my annoyance) and it cost them in the field.

I keep reading stories about people making good shots on deer with appropriate loads and bullets and finding no trace of blood, hair, etc. I have simply never seen it in the field.

Can anyone post pictures and measurements of recovered bullets from centerfire rifles for comparison?

Also, for the folks who didn't recover their deer, can you explain the circumstances? Distance, shooting position, etc. Were you able to 100% confirm the deer in question was shot in the kill zone?