Well said SL, yes this is true and since most deer are shot <75 yards I was thinking that these would not expand. Thanks for making this very clear. Thanks Chap

From what I read about hard cast bullets they really really penetrate well but expand very little:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/TSD%20Wound%20Chart-MZ.htm

I believe these would be excellent elk and bear bullets, but a bit much for deer--unless your doing direct shoulder hits to put them down quickly. It is interesting that Craig Bodington uses an expanding bullet on Cape Buffalo for the first shot, but a hard cast bullet (solid) for the 2nd shot. He wants the expansion for killing power quickly, but then the solid for penetration if the bullalo charges.
Chap Gleason

CG, thanks for the input. The Super Glide went in just behind one shoulder on and angle out the other shoulder so l lost some meat.
I checked the exit for copper, didn't see any but did have splintered rib bones and shoulder bone. I decided to use the Super Glide 300 gr from what I read on this forum about hogs not bleeding for tracking. Y'all were right. It plugged up with fat and chest was holding blood till hung and the
pressure opened the plug. In the fall I'm gonna try the hard cast and see
how it does.

Good, Keep us posted on those hard casts also, and take pictures of the after bullet if you can find it. Good hunting.
Chap Gleason

Thanks for the replies folks. I look forward to shooting these rounds more with different charges and weights as well.

I also see what some are saying about not needing such a deep penetrating bullet for most fairly close whitetail ranges, inside of 125 yards.What are eveyones experiences using the standard Shockwave compared to the Bonded version? Would it be in my best interest in shooting the more rapidly expanding standard version??? Thanks again for any and all feedback

The standard I believe shed their jacket at closer ranges when shot fast. I think the bonded are better and if you shoot thru a deer at 50 yards the exit wound on a .45cal projectile is same a shooting with a .30-06 and shooting thru. I believe penetration with controlled expansion and shoot thru is what I am looking for with accuracy. Accuracy #1. Penetration with Expansion& no fragmentation is #2, shoot thru is #3.

I know the Noslers do this for my Omega and Knight. I >>believe<< the Barnes TMZ 300 or the Knight Ultimate Slam 290 do this, but I have not shot them yet at targets or deer, I have them to test in my
Savage 10ML. Oh the Knight Ultimate Slam 290g have the spire tip, so they have a pretty high BC.
The Knights were $17 for 25 bullets at Cabelas, so cheaper than most designer bullets.
Chap