2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
12-22-2006 | 07:08 PM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
As to scopes: I wouldn't worry about a ballistic plex with the savage if you plan on using smokeless powder as you'll find it very hard to match up. The Omega one would work if you ran approx the same MV loads that it is designed for. The rifle ones like on the Leuy B&C will be off as it is meant for a CF cartridge which is much more effecient down range then any 50 cal projectile you'll shoot. A standard duplex and learning how to use it would be my suggestion. Lets be clear just because you have a savage and use smokeless powder doesn't mean you'll be able to treat it like a CF. It takes lots of practice as well as ability to be proficient at extended ranges with both but much more so with ML's due to the low BC bullets they use.
As to which scope that is personal but I would get one that has decent eye relief just in case you venture to the stout loads beyond the "manual". Believe me they let you know they are their once you start hurling a 50cal/300 gr bullet at some mouth dropping speeds. I personally have a zeiss conquest on mine. The 3x9x40 at 400 or less would be an excellent choice. If too much the VXII might be worth a boo. If your planning to stay lighter in loads then the 3200 elite or similar is adaquate. Just do some side by sides and deceide for yourself.
As important as the scope is the rings/mounts you choose I suggest either Warne Maxima's (Quick release or fixed)Or Leupold Double Dovetails.
Again good luck
As to which scope that is personal but I would get one that has decent eye relief just in case you venture to the stout loads beyond the "manual". Believe me they let you know they are their once you start hurling a 50cal/300 gr bullet at some mouth dropping speeds. I personally have a zeiss conquest on mine. The 3x9x40 at 400 or less would be an excellent choice. If too much the VXII might be worth a boo. If your planning to stay lighter in loads then the 3200 elite or similar is adaquate. Just do some side by sides and deceide for yourself.
As important as the scope is the rings/mounts you choose I suggest either Warne Maxima's (Quick release or fixed)Or Leupold Double Dovetails.
Again good luck
12-22-2006 | 07:09 PM
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Spike
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
Skeeter,
That is an absolutely awsome and informative post! Thanks for taking the time in posting all that info. I've been at Doug's board and all over the net for a couple weeks now, reading, learning, and making my decision.
I don't have a scale and didn't realize I'd need one, but I know now. Thanks! Also, sounds like the EZ tool may be the way to go, but getting the gun bedded may be a better option.
All I need now is to decide on a scope. I've got a couple different brands in mind, but have recently seen where the Sightron scopes are getting good reviews mounted on the 10ML.
Thanks again for all the good info. I'll keep you posted.
That is an absolutely awsome and informative post! Thanks for taking the time in posting all that info. I've been at Doug's board and all over the net for a couple weeks now, reading, learning, and making my decision.
I don't have a scale and didn't realize I'd need one, but I know now. Thanks! Also, sounds like the EZ tool may be the way to go, but getting the gun bedded may be a better option.
All I need now is to decide on a scope. I've got a couple different brands in mind, but have recently seen where the Sightron scopes are getting good reviews mounted on the 10ML.
Thanks again for all the good info. I'll keep you posted.
12-22-2006 | 07:12 PM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
I am looking at the same rifle---owning also a 50 cal Knight Disc and a 50 TC Omega and a 50 cal TC Hawken flintlock for hunting in PA (just got this in Jan of 06). My reason for getting the Savage are:
it's ease of cleaning or
no cleaning during 2 Week ML season which is before our centerfile season (in VA)
and the additional power of Smokless
and the Savage trigger.
I also hunt in VA and NY, and VA just allowed Smokeless this year. NY has no law against smokeless.
I also emailed Randy about delivery of this rifle, he said when Savage ships it, but he didn't have an idea. So I intend to call Savage on when they will release the rifle to retail. I have never owned a SS and I have never owned a thumb hole so I am very interested in the negatives of this choice as you are. There are only two choices in my mind in this "price range" the Savage and the TC Encore Pro Hunter and I believe this is the better rifle over the TC because it is stronger and can shoot smokeless.
I believe this rifle looks beautiful. I don't think the SS buys you any accuracy only looksand I have read that the SS rusts pretty much the same as a blued rifle. I like the laminate stock, it's looks.My gut is that it is not as strong asthe blackstock.I like the Bushnell 3x9x40 Elite 3200 Firefly scope for about $200. I have a 3x9x50 3200 on my TCOmega, and I like it, but it is heavy and bulky looking for a muzzie.
I think another plus of this rifle is that there appears to be a "cult following" of people who love this rifle and there is a lot of info on it on the Web. Much more than other rifles in my opinion, so there is a reason that they love them so much. Randy still loves them, but HP Muzzleloading author Toby Bridges hunted with them for 10 years and is now going back to "traditional". Not exactly sure why.
Chap Gleason
Purcellville Va
it's ease of cleaning or
no cleaning during 2 Week ML season which is before our centerfile season (in VA)
and the additional power of Smokless
and the Savage trigger.
I also hunt in VA and NY, and VA just allowed Smokeless this year. NY has no law against smokeless.
I also emailed Randy about delivery of this rifle, he said when Savage ships it, but he didn't have an idea. So I intend to call Savage on when they will release the rifle to retail. I have never owned a SS and I have never owned a thumb hole so I am very interested in the negatives of this choice as you are. There are only two choices in my mind in this "price range" the Savage and the TC Encore Pro Hunter and I believe this is the better rifle over the TC because it is stronger and can shoot smokeless.
I believe this rifle looks beautiful. I don't think the SS buys you any accuracy only looksand I have read that the SS rusts pretty much the same as a blued rifle. I like the laminate stock, it's looks.My gut is that it is not as strong asthe blackstock.I like the Bushnell 3x9x40 Elite 3200 Firefly scope for about $200. I have a 3x9x50 3200 on my TCOmega, and I like it, but it is heavy and bulky looking for a muzzie.
I think another plus of this rifle is that there appears to be a "cult following" of people who love this rifle and there is a lot of info on it on the Web. Much more than other rifles in my opinion, so there is a reason that they love them so much. Randy still loves them, but HP Muzzleloading author Toby Bridges hunted with them for 10 years and is now going back to "traditional". Not exactly sure why.
Chap Gleason
Purcellville Va
12-22-2006 | 07:56 PM
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Spike
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
I'm pretty sure Savage sells an accessory kit that has lee powder dippers(no scale needed)extra ventliners, and a bunch of other stuff for around 50 bucks! seems like a good way to start out.
12-22-2006 | 09:26 PM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
I am looking at the same rifle---owning also a 50 cal Knight Disc and a 50 TC Omega and a 50 cal TC Hawken flintlock for hunting in PA (just got this in Jan of 06). My reason for getting the Savage are:
it's ease of cleaning or
no cleaning during 2 Week ML season which is before our centerfile season (in VA)
and the additional power of Smokless
and the Savage trigger.
I also hunt in VA and NY, and VA just allowed Smokeless this year. NY has no law against smokeless.
I also emailed Randy about delivery of this rifle, he said when Savage ships it, but he didn't have an idea. So I intend to call Savage on when they will release the rifle to retail. I have never owned a SS and I have never owned a thumb hole so I am very interested in the negatives of this choice as you are. There are only two choices in my mind in this "price range" the Savage and the TC Encore Pro Hunter and I believe this is the better rifle over the TC because it is stronger and can shoot smokeless.
I believe this rifle looks beautiful. I don't think the SS buys you any accuracy only looksand I have read that the SS rusts pretty much the same as a blued rifle. I like the laminate stock, it's looks.My gut is that it is not as strong asthe blackstock.I like the Bushnell 3x9x40 Elite 3200 Firefly scope for about $200. I have a 3x9x50 3200 on my TCOmega, and I like it, but it is heavy and bulky looking for a muzzie.
I think another plus of this rifle is that there appears to be a "cult following" of people who love this rifle and there is a lot of info on it on the Web. Much more than other rifles in my opinion, so there is a reason that they love them so much. Randy still loves them, but HP Muzzleloading author Toby Bridges hunted with them for 10 years and is now going back to "traditional". Not exactly sure why.
Chap Gleason
Purcellville Va
I am looking at the same rifle---owning also a 50 cal Knight Disc and a 50 TC Omega and a 50 cal TC Hawken flintlock for hunting in PA (just got this in Jan of 06). My reason for getting the Savage are:
it's ease of cleaning or
no cleaning during 2 Week ML season which is before our centerfile season (in VA)
and the additional power of Smokless
and the Savage trigger.
I also hunt in VA and NY, and VA just allowed Smokeless this year. NY has no law against smokeless.
I also emailed Randy about delivery of this rifle, he said when Savage ships it, but he didn't have an idea. So I intend to call Savage on when they will release the rifle to retail. I have never owned a SS and I have never owned a thumb hole so I am very interested in the negatives of this choice as you are. There are only two choices in my mind in this "price range" the Savage and the TC Encore Pro Hunter and I believe this is the better rifle over the TC because it is stronger and can shoot smokeless.
I believe this rifle looks beautiful. I don't think the SS buys you any accuracy only looksand I have read that the SS rusts pretty much the same as a blued rifle. I like the laminate stock, it's looks.My gut is that it is not as strong asthe blackstock.I like the Bushnell 3x9x40 Elite 3200 Firefly scope for about $200. I have a 3x9x50 3200 on my TCOmega, and I like it, but it is heavy and bulky looking for a muzzie.
I think another plus of this rifle is that there appears to be a "cult following" of people who love this rifle and there is a lot of info on it on the Web. Much more than other rifles in my opinion, so there is a reason that they love them so much. Randy still loves them, but HP Muzzleloading author Toby Bridges hunted with them for 10 years and is now going back to "traditional". Not exactly sure why.
Chap Gleason
Purcellville Va
As to why Toby changed his mind that is a story that could take pages and still not know anything. We'll just leave it at he had a parting of ways with Harry Ball (inventor of the smokeless ML) and ultimately savage the manufactured licensee!
12-22-2006 | 09:31 PM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
ORIGINAL: nstrut
Skeeter,
That is an absolutely awsome and informative post! Thanks for taking the time in posting all that info. I've been at Doug's board and all over the net for a couple weeks now, reading, learning, and making my decision.
I don't have a scale and didn't realize I'd need one, but I know now. Thanks! Also, sounds like the EZ tool may be the way to go, but getting the gun bedded may be a better option.
All I need now is to decide on a scope. I've got a couple different brands in mind, but have recently seen where the Sightron scopes are getting good reviews mounted on the 10ML.
Thanks again for all the good info. I'll keep you posted.
Skeeter,
That is an absolutely awsome and informative post! Thanks for taking the time in posting all that info. I've been at Doug's board and all over the net for a couple weeks now, reading, learning, and making my decision.
I don't have a scale and didn't realize I'd need one, but I know now. Thanks! Also, sounds like the EZ tool may be the way to go, but getting the gun bedded may be a better option.
All I need now is to decide on a scope. I've got a couple different brands in mind, but have recently seen where the Sightron scopes are getting good reviews mounted on the 10ML.
Thanks again for all the good info. I'll keep you posted.
As far as the best way, no doubt bedding and a 3rd pillar but it depends on how much you want to invest. I plan on swapping the stock out on mine to laminate so I didn't want to go through the work or expense in bedding a temporary solution.
Never used a sightron so can't comment, sorry. Ido know a number of guys who use Bushnell Elites and a few who use the Burris FFII as well. IMO these 2 arecomparable in optic performance and decent bang for your buck. Though have heard the same about sightron and nikon as well.
I think you'll enjoy this animal and the one you picked is sure purdy!!
Good Luck
12-22-2006 | 09:39 PM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
[8D]steelerzzz, yes you can use the lee dipper setbut it is only reccomended with AA5744 powder with any consistency. I have used them before and was never impressed with the consistency they give as a general rule. That is the key with anyload consistency charge to charge, the best way is by weighing not guessing! I do the same with my inlines though you must convert the volume to weight or you could be in for a very bad day. The results on paper speak for themselves but that's a whole other discussion.
Basic beam scales are not that expensive.
Basic beam scales are not that expensive.
12-23-2006 | 07:50 AM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
Skeeter..I certainly don't disagree with you about weighing charges. I've been thinking about doing that with 777 charges for my inline.I'm not too concerned about converting volume to weighed charges...I'm just simply going to weigh one volume measured charge(110 gr) and then weigh every charge after that so they are all identical.What do you think?
12-23-2006 | 07:18 PM
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RE: 2007 Savage 10ML-II SS/LAM Thumbhole Edition - Good choice?
skeeter7mm,
Was not aware that the Laminate being wood would be stronger.I really like the Laminate and it looks beautiful with the Stainless barell.I am not sure of of getting a thumbhole, I think I will stick with a regular stock.
Thanks for your post, I learned a lot from it and printed it to PDF, so when I get my gun I can get the right things. I really really like the muzzies, they are about as much fun as bow hunting.
I think the most important thing you can put down a muzzleloader is an excellent bullet, after a bad experience with Powerbelts 2 years ago, I only shoot Nosler Partition 300gHG (hand gun, Jaketed Protected Point)in my in-line muzzies, with a Harvester crushed rib sabot. Theare expensive, $36 for 50, but well worth theprice since they retain their weight, mushroom perfect and drive deep, even with a shoulder shot. Two wabs of bore butter to clean when in the field,in and out twice, flip over, in and out once.
Chap Gleason
Was not aware that the Laminate being wood would be stronger.I really like the Laminate and it looks beautiful with the Stainless barell.I am not sure of of getting a thumbhole, I think I will stick with a regular stock.
Thanks for your post, I learned a lot from it and printed it to PDF, so when I get my gun I can get the right things. I really really like the muzzies, they are about as much fun as bow hunting.
I think the most important thing you can put down a muzzleloader is an excellent bullet, after a bad experience with Powerbelts 2 years ago, I only shoot Nosler Partition 300gHG (hand gun, Jaketed Protected Point)in my in-line muzzies, with a Harvester crushed rib sabot. Theare expensive, $36 for 50, but well worth theprice since they retain their weight, mushroom perfect and drive deep, even with a shoulder shot. Two wabs of bore butter to clean when in the field,in and out twice, flip over, in and out once.
Chap Gleason
