Most of your modern 1-28 twists are made to shoot sabots. Whether they shoot a conical or a powerbelt is something only the rifle knows. The BPI rifles do seem to shoot Powerbelts well, but of course they have a stake in the powerbelt sales as well.

When I look for a "conical shooter" I used to always look for the 1-32 twist rifles. Why the White rifle shoots conicals in so perfect a manner, has to be a very careful design of the rifle, twist, and rifling depth.

I've never played with an Omega and conicals, but I would guess that there is a conical out there that they would shoot very well. My Knight Wolverinefor instance does real good with the 250 grainSaber Tooth as does the Black Diamond XR. My CVA shoots Powerbelts. And my Black Diamond XR shoots No Excuse Conicals very well. But all of that took a lot of range time and testing to find these different loads.

I believe UC got his Encore to shoot conicals but not until after he cut the QLA off. I may be wrong, but i read that the Encore and Omega sport the same barrel.

Cayuga.........what's your pet load for the BD XR with No Excuses? The 460gr NEs?

"The secret to T/C tight boreswith Omegasis their outstanding accuracy".


I agree that this sentence does not make sense. If it said "The secret to the Omega's outstanding accuracy is the tight fit between bore and projectile". then that would make sense, whether true or not.

I know nothing about the Omega, or how the recommended projectiles fit the bore, or how the rifling is cut. However, I have had some experience with the White system. It uses what I would describe as "heavy for caliber" bullets, whencomparing the White bullet weightsto most others of the same bore size. I suspect that using the heavier slugsis what allowsmaking the bullets a nice sliding fit in their bores, The extra inertia causes them to swage up enough on firing to take the rifling, yet the bullets are easy to load (at least, in a clean barrel!!). I have shot some 400-grain White bullets in a Traditions Lightning Lightweight .50, and they loaded and shot very well. So this particularTraditions bore must be a little on the large size for the White bullets to work in it as well as they do. I have never slugged this bore, but since it works so well, I just use the White bullets in it-400 grain White flatbase bullet, 120 grains of Pyrodex P.

Eldequello, You can shoot quite a few shots without swabbing. I don't havea lot of experience with all this, but most of my shooting has been with 460 gr conicals using 100-105 gr of Triple 7 ffg. I usually swab after about 10 shots. I start to feel the crud ring building at that point. Pushing the bullet down the barrel is so easy, shot after shot. I think once you start the bullet, the rifling/bullet have very little friction. Kind of like an ice skate sliding across the ice.

I imagine if I were shooting 70 gr of powder, I may not have to swab at all. Or maybe using a different powder.

This was done with my scoped Black Diamond XR off shooting sticks... the small hole to the right was a 375 grain Buffalo Bullet SSB that was loaded in the rifle. I was changing out loads to hunt the thickets that day and wanted to test the No Excuses before I left.

Cdad, I shoot 70gr t7 3f with a 496gr conical in my White Lightning. I could shoot all day without swabbing if I chose to. I like to hunt with a clean barrel so I swab between every shot when I'm sighting in.

I think I have one more range trip prior to deer season to do the fine tuning. I think I am going to swab after every shot for your reasoning. Really don't know if I will have an opportunity to shoot a squib load prior to loading on hunting day.

Sure is nice not to HAVE to swab though. I can't believe how long my current bag of patches has lasted.

Ive seen a lot of posts where people are complaining about their omegas not hitting worth a .. well you know.. And after looking on cabelas, its written right there that the omega is designed for shooting sabots. It sucks when you buy an expensive gun like that and live in a state where you can not use sabots and you are stuck with a gun that wont shoot anything else. My Winchester x-150 wont shoot cheap shots for crap. Its a powerbelt/ conical rifle as i found out. It will shoot those cheap $9.99 buffalo ball-ets really good tho! And the part about the tc omega being amazingly accurate is total BS. You can own a rifle that shoots awesome, hand it over to your friend and it probably wouldnt do good for him. Experience and if you can hold that gun steady and aim the same on every shot is what makes a gun accurate. My ex girl friend was a crack shot after i taught her how to properly hold, squeeze and aim the rifle. My step brothers on the other hand, after TRYING to teach them, still have better luck with hitting a target with a rock than a bullet lol. As for the tightness of the bore, i have an old roger raglin hunting video and hes using a white rifle with 460 grain something conical and the ramrods weight pushes it down the barrel. So im not a big beliver in the tight barrel gives it better accuracy. I belive its all in the depth of the rifling. Actually its a proven fact that its all about the depth of the rifling, thats why some old side locks need a thicker patch to tighten up the groups while others need a thinner patch. I dont really care who says what is more accurate or who has the most advertising. Years ago it was all about cva and their advertising. Now its TC. You advertise more, you're going to attract more customers, thats the name of the game. The rifle dont sell itself, all the advertising does. Doesnt matter if its a $100 rifle or a $600 rifle, if its accurate and you like it, use it.

Triple Se7en, Can you clue us in on who the "Folks" are yet???

casdad,
I have a .45 Knight Disc 6-7 yrs old.It's always been with any sabot or powder load I've ever tryed - extremely tight.

I did perform a procedure that slightly improved the condition but that is the way they are designed - Tight.

I s/w a Knight rep for about 30 mins after purchasing the gun.He stated in no uncertain terms it is one reason why the gun is so accurate.It is very accurate! I Couldn't ask for much more.

Matter of fact Knight turned me on to Clean Shot(now APP).That's another topic.

A freind just purchased a .50 Knight and has the same issue.Very accurate but extremely tight loading. I carry back up Power Belts(slip fit) for a 3rd shot as after 3rd round sabot is damn near impossible to load up without damage to bullet or field swabbing.I was surprised how accurate the power belts were and took a deer with one outa that gun.

Have a .50 T/C Thunder Hawk.Bought in 94.Antique by todays standards but desiged to shoot sabots.I tryed 2 sabots and didn't like the tight fit which really wasn't tight,I was simply used to loading conicals in a CVA side Lock.

I ended up going with T/C conicals,worked up load with FF BP which was very accurate/effective - took alot of deer with that gun - along with my nephew that dropped a nice buck with it.

Anyway - I've never changed that load until last week when I went to APP and PR sabots.