Copied text in double brackets. This text is from my post in the thread "Buying tomorrow - help". It was response to a statement by Triple Seven that just doesn't seem logical to me. Wanted to start a new thread as it really wasn't on topic.

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So, Triple Seven or others, what are your thoughts. I am only speaking from my experience and things I have read that were written by Doc White as well as others on this and other message boards.

Logic tells me that the tightness of the projectile to barrel probably does play into accuracy, but it is only one parameter. But, just because you have a tight fit does not ensure accuracy. Also, just because you have a loose fit, does not ensure you won't have accuracy.

On this board, Cayugad can attest to the great accuracy of the slip-fit conicals in the White. He has tried many, many different combinations of bullets, powders, wads/buffers, etc. I think maybe even a few saboted bullets. I am serious, you can easily start the bullet with your pinky finger and seat it with the weight of your range rod. Actually, I have been using a 3/16" thick wad and seating that prior to inserting the bullet, so maybe it does take a slight force on the rod to seat the bullet if the wad is not used.

As for saboted bullets, Sabotloader has likewise experienced similar success. As I said, the saboted bullets I have shot take a little more pressure and do require swabbing between shots or every other shot for me to get accuracy, but they are not tight.

For any of you new guys, you can do a search back through Cayugad's and Sabotloader's posts and find pictures and writeups of the results.

For those of you not familiar, the barrels on the White's are marked as (.504"). All three that I have, including my dad's, load the sameand shoot the same. Most folks seem to shoot a conical sized to .5040, but some prefer one sized at .5045, which provides a little more engraving, but doesn't seem to affect accuracy at all.

The Omega is a sabot gun. Ask any T/C gun tech/head-honchofor verification on that. Trying to lure in a conical into this computation won't work cascadedad.

Accuracy is not only one parameter.... it's by-far the greatest parameter to those folks that say....
"The secret to T/C tight boreswith Omegasis their outstanding accuracy".

One part of the correct parameter for any ML is the proper choice of bullet & attached components to that bullet. In this case involving T/C Omegas, tight bores, tested T/C packaged bullets and the quality/ability of the bore wall construction, breechplug design & hammer execution allare part of the Omega steering wheel to very good accuracy.

Further proof of all this is seeing the lights on at the Omega factory 24/7 - folks still working overtime there like five years later - trying to keep up with demand. That's unheard-of in this business -- with an ML that's more than entry-level priced. There's a difference bertween quality demand and price/entry-level demand.... but tha's an entirely different subject -- for another time.

I believe a lot of the differences in the rifles that shoot sabots only well and the slip fit conical shooters is the depth of the rifling and how it is cut. It appears to me that the slip fit conical rifles have deeper rifleing. Maybe I have not looked at enough but so far that seems to be true.

I am not an engineer or an expert. I got rid of my Omega only because of loading problems, not accuracy problems. One thing I know for sure. You can not watch a hunting show or read a hunting magazine without seeing an advertisement on the Omega or the Encore. I believe their popularity is due to advertising and not the rifle itself. There are alot of other rifles out there that shoot just as well, but do not have the marketing money behind them. Tom.

Sorry for bringing conicals into the computation. It's my understanding that the Whites were designed to be conical shooters. But there is no doubt that they shoot sabots just as well. Loading saboted bullets is not a problem. Start the saboted bullet with your thumb and seat it with moderate pressure on the range rod, even for followup shots. So why does a gunhave to be just a sabot shooter? Or just a conical shooter for that matter?

Triple 7....Accuracy is NOT a parameter. Accuracy is the RESULT of all the other parameters. Maybe you should look some of these words up in a dictionary to see what they mean before you use them.

Lastly, what folks say, "The secret to T/C tight boreswith Omegasis their outstanding accuracy".
As I have pointed out, that statement does not even make sense. It's something you either made up, or misquoted. If you want to argue this, all I can say is prove it! Post a link or show some literature or something that has this quote. My guess is, you will just ignore this challenge because you can't produce it. Come on, who are the FOLKS??????

Sorry guys and gals for being a part of this. I am definitely NOT a ML expert. I have never, ever claimed to be. But I can spot a wanna-be pretender when I see one.

But....I really am interested to see who the FOLKS are.

Most good conical shooters have a shallow rifling depth... on average that is what you will find. Slip-fit works in Whites with concicals because they will obturate into the rifling when the load is ignited thus going from "loose" to "tight"...

I see that T7 is still up to the same ol' stuff... that statement left me puzzled the first time I read it as well, and the second, third, fourth, ans even the sixth. I guess he is saying the secret of tight bores is accuracy... once you cut out all the other baloney. Could have been worded better... I am sure it makes sense to him though

Not understanding all the elements of this discussion,when I called Thompson Center once about my Black Diamond XR which technically has a very similar barrel to the Omega except the difference in actions, I was told outright by a Thompson Center Tech that they were a sabot shooter. He even bragged the Black Diamond XR was one of the best sabot shooters on the market today. The rifle is an outstanding sabot shooter but I do not find the tight barrel as many experience in the Omegas.

I was alsobringing up different conicals I had wanted to try in the BDand he told me while they would shoot acceptable in most cases, the best projectile from the rifle would be "probably" a 250 grain Shockwave on two pellets of powder. Well I lucked out and the BD will also shoot conicals very well.

Why some Omega's have a tight bore, I have no idea. What makes the .504 slip fit of the White Rifle shoot conicals and sabots so well, again I am not into that engineering aspect of firearms and why they do what they do. I just love to shoot and push bullets through barrels.

When someone tells me their riflebore is tight, I usually recommend a thinner sabot or changing to a smaller diameter of bullet like a .451 instead of a .452. It can make a big difference in loading.

If the Omega is a sabot shooter only, should not TC Arms make that clear so that people do not purchase one expecting it to proform with conicals?

Steve

Good point Cascadedad, who are all these "Folks"?

Hmmmm, that's a good question. When I was looking for a ML for hunting in Washington State a few months ago, I was seriously looking at the Knight Bighorn and the T/C BD. Sounds like it would have been hit or miss if either of these would have liked the conicals. Good thing I "Saw the White".