Discharging after the hunt
07-26-2006 | 11:22 PM
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i live in colorado. in september i shot a doe and reloaded incase i needed another shot when i got down to her. i didnt. So i just swabbed the barrel out with some rubbing alcohol to get all the crud out and hung it on the wall untill november when my dad and brother went deer hunting. I had an elk tag and didnt get lucky. I got my dads deer tho. and that 2 month old load went off perfectly.
i live in colorado. in september i shot a doe and reloaded incase i needed another shot when i got down to her. i didnt. So i just swabbed the barrel out with some rubbing alcohol to get all the crud out and hung it on the wall untill november when my dad and brother went deer hunting. I had an elk tag and didnt get lucky. I got my dads deer tho. and that 2 month old load went off perfectly.
Happy Hunting, Phil
07-26-2006 | 11:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: Pglasgow
Just a little reminder. If you party hunt, that's where other people in your party fill other person's tags, well, that's illegal in Colorado. It just isn't wise to make a public announcement about it. Also, it isn't wise to violate the regulations to begin with not to mention the fact that you ended your father's hunt, (was it a tag which took preference to draw?).
Happy Hunting, Phil
ORIGINAL: frontier gander
i live in colorado. in september i shot a doe and reloaded incase i needed another shot when i got down to her. i didnt. So i just swabbed the barrel out with some rubbing alcohol to get all the crud out and hung it on the wall untill november when my dad and brother went deer hunting. I had an elk tag and didnt get lucky. I got my dads deer tho. and that 2 month old load went off perfectly.
i live in colorado. in september i shot a doe and reloaded incase i needed another shot when i got down to her. i didnt. So i just swabbed the barrel out with some rubbing alcohol to get all the crud out and hung it on the wall untill november when my dad and brother went deer hunting. I had an elk tag and didnt get lucky. I got my dads deer tho. and that 2 month old load went off perfectly.
Happy Hunting, Phil
07-26-2006 | 11:45 PM
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i dont find it illegal. my dad was 100 yards behind me squatting behind a bush with stomach issues. Game and fish may not like it but then again, i dont like them rasing my tag prices. The way i look at it, that deer went on the familys table and wasnt left to rot. Bitch and moan all u want about who shot it. It doesnt make a difference to me
07-27-2006 | 12:03 AM
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You know the part that bothers me the most, is that he took his Dad's deer. And whileI don't mean to demean deer hunting in Colorado, mule deer are not particularly difficult to hunt or bag, nowhere close to as difficult to bag as a whitetail generally is. It is practically certain that frontier gander's dad would have had an opportunity to take a deer during the hunt, if only frontier gander had let him do it.
Deer tags usually ARE NOTdrawn by a hunter on an annual basis in Colorado. Rather, it usually takes at least two draws, often more, (depending on the unit), to get a tag. This year I wanted my Dad to get a tag while I did not, just so I could guide him and do my best to give him just one great hunt like the many he oversaw for me.
My Dad's getting to the age where getting out is not as easy as it once was, especially in the wilderness of Colorado. Next year, should he draw, it may be the last hunt we get to experience together. I can tell you, I will do everything I can to see to it that he gets to experience the whole hunt, including the kill, and I will do nothing to take that away.
But we know how Dad's are. I'm sure that frontier gander's Dad said nothing to admonish him but probably congratulated him on his good "off-hand" shooting. It will probably take some time. But there most definitely will come a time when frontier gander sees, not only the hunt in a different light, but also appreciate his Dad in a way that he is probably only beginning to now. I don't mean to judge him in any way. I would just like for him to consider some things which are alot more important than filling a tag.
Happy Hunting, Phil
Deer tags usually ARE NOTdrawn by a hunter on an annual basis in Colorado. Rather, it usually takes at least two draws, often more, (depending on the unit), to get a tag. This year I wanted my Dad to get a tag while I did not, just so I could guide him and do my best to give him just one great hunt like the many he oversaw for me.
My Dad's getting to the age where getting out is not as easy as it once was, especially in the wilderness of Colorado. Next year, should he draw, it may be the last hunt we get to experience together. I can tell you, I will do everything I can to see to it that he gets to experience the whole hunt, including the kill, and I will do nothing to take that away.
But we know how Dad's are. I'm sure that frontier gander's Dad said nothing to admonish him but probably congratulated him on his good "off-hand" shooting. It will probably take some time. But there most definitely will come a time when frontier gander sees, not only the hunt in a different light, but also appreciate his Dad in a way that he is probably only beginning to now. I don't mean to judge him in any way. I would just like for him to consider some things which are alot more important than filling a tag.
Happy Hunting, Phil
07-27-2006 | 12:20 AM
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Actually my father said, if you see one, go ahead and take her. My brother did run back for him but he wasnt going any where and just said to pop her and lets get it done and over with. And it was a nice off hand shot with a open sight muzzleloader during rifle season. Im not sure where u hunted mule deer but where i hunt them they are pressured very hard and spook often. And dont be a prick either. It was the last day, almost dark and my dad was having stomach problems and couldnt make it the rest of the way. All he wanted was a deer to fill the freezer. If the same thing would have happened to me i would have told him to go ahead and get it for me. This year all 3 of us have tags again for the same unit, But this time all 3 of us are taking ML'ers. Mule deer are hard to hunt when you have to deal with all the cali, Mich and Wisc. Hunters with thier 30 foot campers setting up camp in spots where mule deer feed and bed. I dont get it with some hunters. I saw a small group maybe 3 or 4 californian hunters with THREE full size army tents, a 18 foot flatbed trailer, 4 ATV's, and to top it off, a freakin 12 foot u-haul trailer! My god its a 7 day hunt! But the moral of the story is, dad said take it out bcuz i cant move without ****ting my pants. And out of 5 years with a muzzleloader, ive draw tags 4 times with my first try. Same with my brother and dad. We just enjoy being with eachother, having a good time and bringing meat home. Now only if we could get the wicked step mother to go hunting. And by the way, if u ever hunt around Eagle colorado, dont go to the small resturant run by 2 ugly blondes, Good food but that so called good food ruined my dads day. Ask that poor lil bush he squatted behind lol
07-27-2006 | 12:36 AM
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frontier gander,
I had no intention of being a "prick". But it should be clear that we have a different "take" on things and I don't agree with your way of thinking on the things we have a different "take" on. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how to separate your story telling from "story tellin" and so I can't even be sure you offhand shot your Dad's deer at 160 yards or that it happened on the last day of hunt in a unit it takes no preference to draw a tag.
In any event, I will be more than willing to accept that you have no remorse for your behaviour, if you can only accept that I think you should remorse about it.
Happy Hunting, Phil
I had no intention of being a "prick". But it should be clear that we have a different "take" on things and I don't agree with your way of thinking on the things we have a different "take" on. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure how to separate your story telling from "story tellin" and so I can't even be sure you offhand shot your Dad's deer at 160 yards or that it happened on the last day of hunt in a unit it takes no preference to draw a tag.
In any event, I will be more than willing to accept that you have no remorse for your behaviour, if you can only accept that I think you should remorse about it.
Happy Hunting, Phil
07-27-2006 | 12:46 AM
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frontier gander, it makes no difference if your dad told you to shoot it or not. What you did was illegal. You can justify it however you want, but it was illegal.
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Phil about the story tellin. Starting with the 160 yard shot offhand. I seriously doubt many of us would even try that shot, ever, let alone with darkness closing in on the last day. I think many of us would not take a 160 yard shot on a deer even with a dead solid rest.
Each one of us has to decide what is right and wrong. I just disagree with your thinking.
I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Phil about the story tellin. Starting with the 160 yard shot offhand. I seriously doubt many of us would even try that shot, ever, let alone with darkness closing in on the last day. I think many of us would not take a 160 yard shot on a deer even with a dead solid rest.
Each one of us has to decide what is right and wrong. I just disagree with your thinking.
07-27-2006 | 01:00 AM
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143 yards and of course i felt bad about shooting the deer for him. But you'd have to know my father. When he says shoot it for him, you do it. That actually was the last day of hunting, By the time we got down to the deer it was dark to find bcuz it was so dark. But in my family, its the meat that counts, not who shot it. And i dont consider it illegal. I consider hunters that just hunt for antler and leave the meat to rot, illegal. And no story telling either. If you want easy drawing, try for area 15 or 18. Its CWD but the officer i talked to said that if they find 1 deer with CWD, they mark the entire area CWD. All 3 of ours checked out fine. Im sure you could tell the sick 1's apart. These 3 deer were fat and sleek. But enuff of this "arguing" We are flooding the poor guys post! lol. This is my second year hunting around eagle colorado and i drew 2 years in a row along with my dad and brother. Hard to find them during muzzleloading but in november, those suckers are all over the place. Of course they are always on private property, which sucks bcuz u have $$$ hungry people up there that want to charge u and arm and leg to shoot a doe on their property
07-27-2006 | 01:05 AM
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160 yard is to far to shoot at a deer. When i first spotted the 2 deer, i ranged them at 165 which was in range for my ML but when u look thru the sights, Theres no f-in way i would take that shot, my sight covered the entire deer. 143 yards was the closest i could get when she spotted me. The farthest shot i ever made and hit dead on was 148 yards. But that 143 yard shot, i looked around for a long stick to help steady myself and i had zero. And to be honest, it wasnt a perfect shot at all, i was aiming behind her shoulder and when i walked up on her, i hit her in the neck area in front of her collar bone.
07-27-2006 | 07:10 AM
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Theres no f-in way i would take that shot, my sight covered the entire deer. 143 yards was the closest i could get when she spotted me.
Theres no f-in way i would take that shot, my sight covered the entire deer. 143 yards was the closest i could get when she spotted me.
The farthest shot i ever made and hit dead on was 148 yards.
We always miss. Just can't get around that. Misses of the POA (point of aim) are OK, provided, the miss is in an acceptable range. This is called a grouping. The grouping that you get in relation to the size of vital zone tells you how far you can ethically hunt with your rifle. Groupings also include the "mistakes" shots and fliers. Your grouping, IMHO, should be less than 75% the vital zone. At the limits of your range, one should be very careful about taking a shot as it is often hard to duplicate range results in the field.
But that 143 yard shot, i looked around for a long stick to help steady myself and i had zero.
Don't you pack water in a little knapsackor back pack? Something you can shed the outer layers of clothing into? Shoot prone and use thattobrace the gun. Its what I did this year. BTW. The deer spotted me as I was stalking him, there were two of them, Buck and Doe. They saw me stalking them, but I kept a low profile, and I moved slowly. Typically a mountain lion, (the only predator, other than man, a healthyadult deer has to worry about) has to get within 40 yards to kill a deer. Keep a low profile and you would be surprised just how close you can get to a mule deer which is watching you.
I hunt in the unit 49 complex. I spotted the deer I shot about 20 minutes into the hunt on opening day, I arrived an hour after official sunrise. After taking the buck, I would drag him 30 to 60yards. Then leap frog him with the pack and gun (was nearly a mile from where I parked) I took my time. In the1 1/2 hours it tookme to get back to where I parked, I saw 5 more deer, two of which were bucks.Had two other people been withme with tags,we'd have bagged two bucks dragging my deer back.
Iwas literally less than 150 yards from where I parked and had just leap frogged the deer with my rifle and pack when I saw two doe bound out about 240 yards away.Iwas standing all blazed out in orange and they ran right towards me and only turned when they got about 35 yards fromme. I actually think they were investigating me.They were followed by a buck which I stopped at 35yard by saying "huh" perfect shot for "offhand" where I reliably shoot a 2 1/2" miss(5 " grouping). Then thebuck hopped the fencestoppingabout 40 yards, looking at me. Ten yards from him and between us, in plain view,lay the steaming carcass of my kill. I hollered at him, "Go on get, get along now!"And he just watched me.
We don't get to hunt doe in these units cause we don't have a surplus of deer here. Your unit sounds like it needs thinning.
And to be honest, it wasnt a perfect shot at all, i was aiming behind her shoulder and when i walked up on her, i hit her in the neck area in front of her collar bone.
We always miss. Just can't get around that. Misses of the POA (point of aim) are OK, provided, the miss is in an acceptable range. This is called a grouping. The grouping that you get in relation to the size of vital zone tells you how far you can ethically hunt with your rifle. Groupings also include the "mistakes" shots and fliers. Your grouping, IMHO, should be less than 75% the vital zone. At the limits of your range, one should be very careful about taking a shot as it is often hard to duplicate range results in the field.
Don't you pack water in a little knapsackor back pack? Something you can shed the outer layers of clothing into? Shoot prone and use thattobrace the gun. Its what I did this year. BTW. The deer spotted me as I was stalking him, there were two of them, Buck and Doe. They saw me stalking them, but I kept a low profile, and I moved slowly. Typically a mountain lion, (the only predator, other than man, a healthyadult deer has to worry about) has to get within 40 yards to kill a deer. Keep a low profile and you would be surprised just how close you can get to a mule deer which is watching you.
I hunt in the unit 49 complex. I spotted the deer I shot about 20 minutes into the hunt on opening day, I arrived an hour after official sunrise. After taking the buck, I would drag him 30 to 60yards. Then leap frog him with the pack and gun (was nearly a mile from where I parked) I took my time. In the1 1/2 hours it tookme to get back to where I parked, I saw 5 more deer, two of which were bucks.Had two other people been withme with tags,we'd have bagged two bucks dragging my deer back.
Iwas literally less than 150 yards from where I parked and had just leap frogged the deer with my rifle and pack when I saw two doe bound out about 240 yards away.Iwas standing all blazed out in orange and they ran right towards me and only turned when they got about 35 yards fromme. I actually think they were investigating me.They were followed by a buck which I stopped at 35yard by saying "huh" perfect shot for "offhand" where I reliably shoot a 2 1/2" miss(5 " grouping). Then thebuck hopped the fencestoppingabout 40 yards, looking at me. Ten yards from him and between us, in plain view,lay the steaming carcass of my kill. I hollered at him, "Go on get, get along now!"And he just watched me.
We don't get to hunt doe in these units cause we don't have a surplus of deer here. Your unit sounds like it needs thinning.
Happy Hunting, Phil