Lets see here, I'm more accurate with my encore at range now that it has a scope on it verse when it had fiber optic opens on it(which you can't have.) You can't use fiber optics so you can't be as accurate as you want in lower light agian mandated inaccuracy. A shorter wider bullet will be less stable balistically then a bullet that is long for it's diameter, so again your state mandates inaccuracy in that, and on top of that connicals are ment to be heavy and since you're forced to use a lighter connical you reduce the effective range. Sorry but it's pretty clear these rules are mandated inaccuracy.

If states want to limit these modern inlines, which I completely agree with you (even though mine has a redfield 3x9,) are very modern, they should limit it to stuff that is indead primitive and not beat arround the bush with these laws.

I did however bought my inline muzzle loader because I think it's more accurate then a shotgun so I can use it in Michigan down low where I hunt, and if people want some late season doe heard thinning I can use it then and not have to worry about ruining a stand due to failed ignition or something silly like that (Esencially if I'm freezing my rear off in a tree stand looking to put meat in the freezer I want to put meat in the freezer and not worry about the means that got me to the ends.)

Also Michigan is right to carry, class 3 weapons have just been reallowed, so basically you're a step below Texas in our weapon freedoms( or above depends which side of the fence you're on, I assume the right side .)

So would you also have archers using bare bows because they get a seperate season or is it OK they use a very modern peice of equipment, or should they be able to use there bows, but they cant use fiber sights, only have 50% let off and max 60lbs draw weight, with 2 bladed broad heads and ect ect? In the end all this rule making is rather silly and they should make the laws agree with the intent, instead of allowing some but not all technologies.

Flying Ferris some pretty funny stuff there. I live in Utah and the only restriction we have is you cant have any magnification for your sight. So we can use red dots, fiber optics, 1 power scopes, and peep sights. I use a red dot on all my rifles including my Ultra Mag. My best friend uses a peep sight on his XR Black Diamond and from 0 to 150 yards can keep all his shots inside a 4 inch circle. That doesnt sound limited to me. Also his gun is an open breech and never once has it failed to fire. As far as Oregons resrtictions on the conicals this is where I wonder if you really know much about muzzleloading. A 460 and 495 conical you dont think is big? How big of a slug are you shooting through your encore? I would be willing to bet it is a 45 caliber slug with a sabot not much over 300grns. And the accuracy of these full bore size conicals are incredible just read some past posts. So you think your encore is more accurate than your shotgun? If it isnt you wasted your money on that encore all 6 of my inlines are more accurate than my 870 with a riffled barrel. Maybe you should sit back and think about some of your statements.

Maybe you should sit back and read before posting. I said Inlines were more accurate then shot guns. Also I have shot conicles out of my gun and they don't do as well as saboted bullets, especially the lighter ones that Oregon forces you to use (note I said length not mass, and since you seem to be ballistacaly confused a bullets length in relation to its width plays a huge part in its stability, however being so heavy they are more stable, but now they don't shoot as flat, and as they are slower more vulnerable to drift in higher winds.) Also a 4 inch circle wowza, I'm so impressed I'm going to take off the 3x9x the Encore right now so I can loose keeping it inside a small clay every time I shoot inside of 175 so I can get that amazing 4" accuracy you talking about. Oh wait that's more limited then using a scope crazy.

Your posts makes me wonder how much you know about the English language in writing as well as comprehension as their isn't much of both going on.

Flying Ferris

Just to clear a small point:

I do not really think Oregon forces you to use lighter conicals.... Doc White 600 grain conical measures an 1" prior to being loaded into a White .504 - seems to me that a 600 grain conical would not be considered light... The rule is/was directed at not allowing you to use a ballistically superior spire pointed/boat tailedlead conical like some of those that PR Bullets makes. The Oregon rule as with a lot of other states here in the west is to tie you to a short range weapon vs a modern day centerfire. While hunting with an inline is not ML hunting by some peoples standards it certainly is not like hunting with amodern centerfire. Often you a shooting a combination that will get you marginally better performance than a 30-30...

Just my 2 cents...

Ferris, what does anything you have said have to do with my questions regarding legality in the state of Oregon?

Maybe you should start your own thread instead of turning mine into a complete waste.

By the way, I really don't want an answer to my question in the previous post. I already know the answer.

Flying Ferris re-read your post you stated that you bought your inline because you think it is more accurate than your shotgun. You never said it was as you stated in your last post its all there in black and white.

Just like other people who have a really kick butt set up on their slug thrower think they have a more accurate gun in that. Also when I bought the Encore I had only read what people had made theirs do good and bad, and compared to what I could do with my 870 now, or what would happen if I could find a good setup for it. The cost benfit fell to the inline.

Mike, have you measured this conical? Went to Mountainmolds.com and calculated the shortest length of a .504 pure-lead, paper-patched conical(havingpractically no nose.007in.) to be over an inch at 600 grains.The program may be calculating things incorrectly, but I suspect it is probably calculating pretty close to the mark.

Give it a ballistically acceptable nose (with the program), and it is considerably longer than an inch. Longer enough, anyway, there won't be any game wardens agreeing that its approximately one inch long. 500 grains seems to bethe limit for a "functional" .50 cal projectile if it can't be longer than 1". Give it a hollow base, andaround 460 seems to be the limit. But then, 460 or 500 grains are heavyweights to many folks, myself included, at least regarding 50 cal projectiles.

Regards, Phil

Cascade
You will be fine with the bullshop 460 I have some and they shoot very well and don't fall out of my UM ,length is Ok.
I go to CO. to Ml and they have the basically the same laws. Some of these states allow you to hunt in the rut so some restrictions are in order. I know Co limits the ML take to 5% of the take. and I believe its a good law. even for 65 year old eyes.
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