I may try to do some muzzleloader hunting in Oregon. The best I can tell by reading the regs is that an inline using an exposed #11 cap (i.e. Ultra Mag) is legal. You can not have fiber optic sights, that's ok because I have changed to a peep and am puting a lower elevation white beadon the front. Also can not use any sabot or power belt (no plastic) which is ok. But, the bullet can not be more than twice as long as the diameter. The only conicals I have to measure are the ones that came with the Ultra Mag and they are EXACTLY 1" long. So, I assume these would be legal in Oregon.

Now, for those of you that have some of the Bull Shop conicals, have you measured the length? If not, would you mind and let me know what it is. I assume the 560's, 620's and probably the 500's may be over 1" long, but am hoping the 460's are 1" or less.

Thanks in advance.

Gotta loved mandated inaccuracy. After that I have no advice but move to a state that doesn't have these stupid rules.

The Bull Shop N373 is under an inch at .984" as I recall. Certainly it would meet the 2X requirement as would any of the .504s to the left of that one in the pics.

I really don't like that conical rule. There is no purpose!!!

A Black Diamond is legle in Oregon I think. In fact I just sold mine to sharp shooter. I wanted to go the traditional rout and shoot round balls since the rules are so restrictive in Oregon. I went ahead and bought a 54 cal. Ball thrower and just found out that I did not draw my muzzleloader tag for the second year in a row! In fact I did not draw any tags! Damn ODFW.

I lived in Oregon for 20+ years and granted, they have their fair share of "stupid rules". My guess is your state has their fair share of stupid rules also. I am sure there are states that have pretty liberal ML laws, but how about their handgun laws or carry laws?

But, back to your quote, how do any of these rules mandate inaccuracy? Not being able to use a scope somewhat limits the range, but in no way makes the gun inaccurate. Having exposed ignition could cause problems in inclement weather but hey in my mind that is part of the game of MLing.

I don't know the history behind some of these laws, but maybe the western states that have more stringent ML laws have always had the intent that ML was considered "primative" and therefore have some similarities to primative firearms. Not all, but much of our land is wide open land either forested or not, with no houses for many, many miles. The seasons are seperate, in most cases, with modern, muzzleloading and archery.

While on the other hand, to the east, in more populated areas, the ML is not necessarily meant to be a primative firearm, but limits the range in more populated areas. You must admit that a modern ML with sealed ignition, topped with a Leupold 3-9 is a pretty modern firearm not only in looks but also in function.

Others, please chime in and correct me here. I have no idea if my thinking is right or not, it is just what makes sense to me.

By the way, thanks UC for the helpful info. I think I am good to go.

What?

Oh sorry, I got you mixed up w/someone else. His company is "Sharp Shooters, Inc." I thought you were him.

dat's phuny

I think that's part of it, but not all. In Michigan (admittedly Mid-West, not East), we apparently have very liberal ML laws from what I read about other states. Inlines, sealed breeches, scopes, sabots - just about everything except laser sights and night sights are allowed. And this is statewide, including the heavily populated areas of the south and the thinly populated areas of the U.P. during the ML only season. It appears that the only distinction is that the weapon must be loaded from the muzzle.

During the regular GUN season, ML's are also allowed in the southern "shotgun only" zone. I think the original intent was because of the limited range of a roundball. I see this changing pretty soon with the development of the 200+ yard ML rifles of today; maybe they'll go back to roundball only (but I've never been able to figure out the DNR before, why should that be different in the future?