Spider bull has been killed
10-02-2008, 03:26 PM
#41
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: ELK GROVE CA USA
Posts: 1,251
RE: Spider bull has been killed
thanks for answering my question CA and sorry you didn't get a bull even though you had many, IMO, monsters within shooting range.
something you may want to consider with regards to everyone bashing your statements....regardless of what you say or how you say it..being a brand new member coming on her and testifying to what you have seen may lead many questioning your story.
something you may want to consider with regards to everyone bashing your statements....regardless of what you say or how you say it..being a brand new member coming on her and testifying to what you have seen may lead many questioning your story.
10-02-2008, 03:58 PM
#42
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Lubbock, Texas
Posts: 1,401
RE: Spider bull has been killed
ORIGINAL: JNTURK
something you may want to consider with regards to everyone bashing your statements....regardless of what you say or how you say it..being a brand new member coming on her and testifying to what you have seen may lead many questioning your story.
something you may want to consider with regards to everyone bashing your statements....regardless of what you say or how you say it..being a brand new member coming on her and testifying to what you have seen may lead many questioning your story.
I see both sides of this story and think both extremes are a little out there.
On one side, this was a public land bull and many folks other than the MossBack crew and their hunter (including CAelknuts) had a chance to close the deal on this bull if they were able to find him. They did spend an entire month trying to close this deal, that has to say something about it being more difficult than shooting a penned animal. I know I would have had to quit and come home after a week.
On the other side, the guy did spend $100k+ on the tag and was payingto haveat least 6 other guys out there for a month helping him find and hunt this animal so that seems a little above what the average person would be able to spend in both time and money on a hunt like this.
Some folks are bagging on the guy for having the money to be able to afford to stay out there for a month and other folks are saying that he didn't put any effort into the hunt. How many of you have ever hunted a single animal for a solid month? How many have ever hunted for a month straight? I know I haven't.
Oh well, I don't think therewll bea winner in this argument!
I'm still happy with my 245" bull I shot at 8:00am on opening morning!
10-02-2008, 04:49 PM
#43
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 10,679
RE: Spider bull has been killed
I am not going to argue is this guy deserves this elk or not.....
But I highly doubt that he was in the woods hunting every single day for a month solid. From start to finish it may have took a month before he killed the bull but toactually huntevery single day from sun up to sun downchasing a single elk is pushing it quite a bit IMHO.
What is much muchmore probable is that he was in and out for a few days at a time over the time span of a month. I doubt he or any one else will confess how many days he actually spent in the woods chasing this elk.
Of course if hadn't fluffed his first shot it wouldn't have taken that long.
But I highly doubt that he was in the woods hunting every single day for a month solid. From start to finish it may have took a month before he killed the bull but toactually huntevery single day from sun up to sun downchasing a single elk is pushing it quite a bit IMHO.
What is much muchmore probable is that he was in and out for a few days at a time over the time span of a month. I doubt he or any one else will confess how many days he actually spent in the woods chasing this elk.
Of course if hadn't fluffed his first shot it wouldn't have taken that long.
10-02-2008, 05:14 PM
#44
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Aug 2008
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RE: Spider bull has been killed
ORIGINAL: JNTURK
something you may want to consider with regards to everyone bashing your statements....regardless of what you say or how you say it..being a brand new member coming on her and testifying to what you have seen may lead many questioning your story.
something you may want to consider with regards to everyone bashing your statements....regardless of what you say or how you say it..being a brand new member coming on her and testifying to what you have seen may lead many questioning your story.
In a way, it's too bad I don't have more familiarity with the posters here, as I did a live update nightly on both Bowsite and Monster Muleys of my elk hunt, and it was very popular. I had internet service up on the mountain, so would post my day's experience each night after we got back to camp. I was usually up past 11:00 writing, and everyone seemed to enjoy following along. There were over 400 responses between the two websites. I probably shouldn't say this, but will regardless...nearly allof the people over there were a heck of a lot more positive toward me than around here. But then, that's just a personal observation.
10-02-2008, 09:22 PM
#45
Typical Buck
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: British Columbia
Posts: 694
RE: Spider bull has been killed
Glad to see someone killed off the freek.
congrats
Too bad it was such a circus. Both the grand old tradition of hunting and the elk deserved better.
Now this may be a public land bull but he is only half wild.
For the centuries before whitemen hunted elk in North America they probably never saw horns like that. In a hundred years of hunting 1900-2000 only a half dozen elk ever scored over 400 and then only just. And at a time when so much of their range was true wilderness and had little preasure.Now there are farms with dozens of 450 plus elk walking around behind those nice safe fences.
The reason was preditors............something this bull knew nothing about.
Wolves would have disspatched the freek long before he grew into a 500 plus bull.
Wolves have no seasons or tags to worry about.
DoesUtah have the best jean pool or is it just a good safe farm?
When they kill a 450 bull in Montana, Idaho or Canadaon public land, he will be the true survivor.
IMHO
congrats
Too bad it was such a circus. Both the grand old tradition of hunting and the elk deserved better.
Now this may be a public land bull but he is only half wild.
For the centuries before whitemen hunted elk in North America they probably never saw horns like that. In a hundred years of hunting 1900-2000 only a half dozen elk ever scored over 400 and then only just. And at a time when so much of their range was true wilderness and had little preasure.Now there are farms with dozens of 450 plus elk walking around behind those nice safe fences.
The reason was preditors............something this bull knew nothing about.
Wolves would have disspatched the freek long before he grew into a 500 plus bull.
Wolves have no seasons or tags to worry about.
DoesUtah have the best jean pool or is it just a good safe farm?
When they kill a 450 bull in Montana, Idaho or Canadaon public land, he will be the true survivor.
IMHO
10-03-2008, 10:38 AM
#46
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Moccasin, Montana
Posts: 1,835
RE: Spider bull has been killed
ORIGINAL: CAelknuts
I WAS THERE. Were you? I saw these guys hunting, I know where they hunted and have a good idea of how they hunted. I ran into them a couple times, either in town when buying supplies or out in the field. We drove past each others camps on our way to places we were each hunting many days. I even talked to them a few times (god forbid!) about not only the spider bull, but some other nice bulls too. So, do you get it that I have a little different perspective than just about everyone else who is posting on here?
I say that from being there and observing them, not from hundreds or thousands of miles away with nothing more than an opinion, like some others on here are doing.
I WAS THERE. Were you? I saw these guys hunting, I know where they hunted and have a good idea of how they hunted. I ran into them a couple times, either in town when buying supplies or out in the field. We drove past each others camps on our way to places we were each hunting many days. I even talked to them a few times (god forbid!) about not only the spider bull, but some other nice bulls too. So, do you get it that I have a little different perspective than just about everyone else who is posting on here?
I say that from being there and observing them, not from hundreds or thousands of miles away with nothing more than an opinion, like some others on here are doing.
Realize, I have no vested interest in speaking favorably of Mossback or their hunter/client. They're not friends of mine, nor do I try tofollow them around and try to ride their coattails.
CA,
I realy don't give a rats azz about Mossback(other than they have some cool horn porn) or this bull.As for my coment it was directed at your feverish defense of their tactics.I can realy honestly say WHOOP TEE DODO as for you following these guys around trying to pick up a bone,to me you sound like a Don King.
I realy don't give a rats azz about Mossback(other than they have some cool horn porn) or this bull.As for my coment it was directed at your feverish defense of their tactics.I can realy honestly say WHOOP TEE DODO as for you following these guys around trying to pick up a bone,to me you sound like a Don King.
yep I said that.
Now back to this elk,he's a great bull anyone one of us would have shot it.We agree to disage if this was hunt.There are more important issues in our lives to deal with.This was animal that saw his end aswell as the begining.
Am I going to pat the back of those involved probaly not.Was this fair chase depends on who's mind.
If we all big $$$$ would we care about what I said or you said about this or my hunting,not for a second.
Now Caelknuts sound like you had a great trip and seem some good elk(in my eyes) didn't get one that sound like personal choice and maybe on that oneyou passed on might grow to be Spidey II and he will make the fatal mistake of stoping in your crosshairs or your pins or Daddy Worbucks and we can have this conversation again.
As for the personal attacks,it realy wasnt personal you just opened your mouth thats all,my bad.You are entitled to your opinon and your choice of dwelling.
Have a good day!!
BBJ
10-03-2008, 11:55 AM
#47
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 125
RE: Spider bull has been killed
ORIGINAL: tangozulu
Glad to see someone killed off the freek.
congrats
Too bad it was such a circus. Both the grand old tradition of hunting and the elk deserved better.
Now this may be a public land bull but he is only half wild.
For the centuries before whitemen hunted elk in North America they probably never saw horns like that. In a hundred years of hunting 1900-2000 only a half dozen elk ever scored over 400 and then only just. And at a time when so much of their range was true wilderness and had little preasure.Now there are farms with dozens of 450 plus elk walking around behind those nice safe fences.
The reason was preditors............something this bull knew nothing about.
Wolves would have disspatched the freek long before he grew into a 500 plus bull.
Wolves have no seasons or tags to worry about.
DoesUtah have the best jean pool or is it just a good safe farm?
When they kill a 450 bull in Montana, Idaho or Canadaon public land, he will be the true survivor.
IMHO
Glad to see someone killed off the freek.
congrats
Too bad it was such a circus. Both the grand old tradition of hunting and the elk deserved better.
Now this may be a public land bull but he is only half wild.
For the centuries before whitemen hunted elk in North America they probably never saw horns like that. In a hundred years of hunting 1900-2000 only a half dozen elk ever scored over 400 and then only just. And at a time when so much of their range was true wilderness and had little preasure.Now there are farms with dozens of 450 plus elk walking around behind those nice safe fences.
The reason was preditors............something this bull knew nothing about.
Wolves would have disspatched the freek long before he grew into a 500 plus bull.
Wolves have no seasons or tags to worry about.
DoesUtah have the best jean pool or is it just a good safe farm?
When they kill a 450 bull in Montana, Idaho or Canadaon public land, he will be the true survivor.
IMHO
This is something that I cannot figure out about this elk. How is it that it just showed up this year and is over 500" You would think that with all the hunters, guides, scouts, horn hunters, outfitters, photographers, ... that this elk would not have been talked about last year. Certainly it would have been in the 450" range with the drop visible last year, or even the year before.
???
There are some very nice bulls in South Jordan Utah as well!
10-03-2008, 08:42 PM
#48
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Denver, Colorado
Posts: 599
RE: Spider bull has been killed
"....I am not going to argue is this guy deserves this elk or not.....
But I highly doubt that he was in the woods hunting every single day for a month solid. From start to finish it may have took a month before he killed the bull but toactually huntevery single day from sun up to sun downchasing a single elk is pushing it quite a bit IMHO.
What is much muchmore probable is that he was in and out for a few days at a time over the time span of a month. I doubt he or any one else will confess how many days he actually spent in the woods chasing this elk."
But I highly doubt that he was in the woods hunting every single day for a month solid. From start to finish it may have took a month before he killed the bull but toactually huntevery single day from sun up to sun downchasing a single elk is pushing it quite a bit IMHO.
What is much muchmore probable is that he was in and out for a few days at a time over the time span of a month. I doubt he or any one else will confess how many days he actually spent in the woods chasing this elk."
10-03-2008, 08:59 PM
#49
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Huntin' In Colorado
Posts: 2,910
RE: Spider bull has been killed
All I can say is, I don't respectthe guy as a realhunter. With the time frame allowed, no way it should be allowed in the record books. I'm not sure why I feel the way I do, but after reading about it on multiple sites, that's the way I feel. I wish a true hunter would have killed this bull, not a check writer.
10-03-2008, 09:03 PM
#50
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Beautiful western Montana
Posts: 752
RE: Spider bull has been killed
ORIGINAL: tangozulu
Glad to see someone killed off the freek.
congrats
Too bad it was such a circus. Both the grand old tradition of hunting and the elk deserved better.
Now this may be a public land bull but he is only half wild.
For the centuries before whitemen hunted elk in North America they probably never saw horns like that. In a hundred years of hunting 1900-2000 only a half dozen elk ever scored over 400 and then only just. And at a time when so much of their range was true wilderness and had little preasure.Now there are farms with dozens of 450 plus elk walking around behind those nice safe fences.
The reason was preditors............something this bull knew nothing about.
Wolves would have disspatched the freek long before he grew into a 500 plus bull.
Wolves have no seasons or tags to worry about.
DoesUtah have the best jean pool or is it just a good safe farm?
When they kill a 450 bull in Montana, Idaho or Canadaon public land, he will be the true survivor.
IMHO
Glad to see someone killed off the freek.
congrats
Too bad it was such a circus. Both the grand old tradition of hunting and the elk deserved better.
Now this may be a public land bull but he is only half wild.
For the centuries before whitemen hunted elk in North America they probably never saw horns like that. In a hundred years of hunting 1900-2000 only a half dozen elk ever scored over 400 and then only just. And at a time when so much of their range was true wilderness and had little preasure.Now there are farms with dozens of 450 plus elk walking around behind those nice safe fences.
The reason was preditors............something this bull knew nothing about.
Wolves would have disspatched the freek long before he grew into a 500 plus bull.
Wolves have no seasons or tags to worry about.
DoesUtah have the best jean pool or is it just a good safe farm?
When they kill a 450 bull in Montana, Idaho or Canadaon public land, he will be the true survivor.
IMHO
