James B

For Grizzly with the 30-06, I wouldn't pick the 220 grain bullet unless I was sure the range would be short. The 180 X bullet or 200 grain Nosler Partitions are a much better choice. I have never used the 300 RUM but Have used the 300 Win Mag and Weatherby Mag. The difference between the 300 Mag and the 30-06 is about 80-100 yards. The Energy and Velocity of the 30-06 is about the same as the 300 Win Mag at 80-100 yards shorter range. Both have taken many grizzly and will probably continue to do so.

bearhuntr

If you're going to take a 30-06 on a grizzly hunt, then by all means make sure it's loaded with 168-grain Barnes TSX bullets.

stubblejumper

100 yardsis about right if both are loaded to SAAMI specs.The 300ultra mag will add about the same over the 300winmag.So the 300 ultramag adds in the neighbourhood of 200 yards over the 30-06.The energy and velocity will be as much with the 300ultramagat 300 yards as with the 30-06 at 100 yards.

James B

Sounds about right.

tjfslaughter

The 30-06 will work in close range with a 220 grain bullet. If you stretch it out past 150 yards you are asking for trouble. I shot my 8'6" grizzly with a 220 NP out of a 300 win mag at 240 yards. The bullet broke both shoulders but did not exit. It stopped in the fat just inches before the skin. My second shot went through the cavity and stopped just short of the skin. The guide stated that most 30 cal bullets with good expansion will not "Exit" the animal. He actullly prefers this, and so does the taxidermist. He stated that "if a 30-06 is used he prefers to see the 180 grain Nosler Partition" this bullet will give you the knock down power and reach out and touch power.........

smokeman

stubblejumper

Lets take your 220gr bullet fired out of a 30-06.At 300 yards(50 yards shorter than you were talking) the remaining energy is just over 1600ft lbs.


Magnum_Man_300

Yes stubble I would have to agree with you, while some people would probably feel confident shooting at 350 yards with the 220 grain bullet, if shots are to be taken at that distance which they shouldn't then don't go with that bullet or probably a 30-06 for that matter.



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I am goanna be more relaxed when a grizzly is 250 to 300yrds out from me than if he is a 100 yrds or under....The closer the animal the more nervous one is..This new generation of hunters and guns think in the way, I got to have the biggest gun on the market to kill an animal that a 30-30 could do..It's your choice,but don't be saying a 30-06 is to small for hunting very large game animals excpecially grizzlies..I would feel very comfortable with a 220g bullet fired out of a 30-06 for grizzly as I would any 300 or larger cartridge....It will get the job done just as good...Must be lack of confidence in ones shooting skills to put down the under magnum 30-06...The larger magnums are to make up for errors on shot placement or just got an ego problem and have to have the largest gun to proveto be a man.. At a hundred yrds 220g piece of lead can allmost bust thru completlly a 7/16 steel rail road platethat hold the track down... Now,don't tell me or anyone else it is not a good grizzly rifle choice.. No I have not hunted grizzly,but I know the power of a 30-06 and it is more than enough gun for a big dangerous game animals..
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smokemanI doubt you've been hunting and shooting for more than 30 years and your comments clearly prove that, because you are so sure of your abilities it's ridiculous.

What did I write that was ridiculous??? I wrote about a 220g piece of lead hitting a 7/16 plate metal at 100yrds... You come up with I am shooting a grizzly at 300+yrds with this 220g Bullet,How did you get this from what I wrote?? I stated the power of a 220g piece of lead at a 100yrds.... What kinda bullet the man used to bust thru both shoulders of that grizzly at over 300+yrds,I don't know, but he did it with a 30-06.... I am sure of the abillities and power of a 30-06 though... Why not go with the 460 then???Or this over kill now???

Ruddyduck

[8D]22 shorts and a bowie knife [8D]

James B

Well, Outdoor life had a story about a man who killed a Grizzly with a 4 inch blade Buck folding knife. The Bowie would have you overknifed.

stubblejumper

You brought up shooting grizzly at 350 yards and you brought up the 220gr bullet out of the 30-06 for grizzly hunting.In fact youposted that you would be more comfortable shooting a grizzly at 300 yards than at 100 yards.

smokeman

Twisting things around there a bit arent we....To diffrent posts I made and you take bit and pieces from both of them to your defense of accuseing me of something I didn't say.. The right bullet can and I did see it bust through both shoulders and exited a grizzly at 350yrds from a 30-06....

And I would be comfortable shooting at a grizzly at 300+yrds away with a 30-06... If guides won't let you shoot out beyond 150 yrds at griz,Why do you need 300 mags or better to hunt them??? Now we are back in to the what would be the better choice or will they both do just as good at that yardage or closer????Or would the 300 mag do better cause it says magnum??? A gun manufacture that would do a better at these ranges also??? Rem is better for this ranges than browning... I don't think so...So why would a 30-06 beany less usefull at a griz at these closer ranges that the guides want you to shoot at than magnum calibers????? Lets not forget the 06 has way more bullet designs and weights than the magnums does....